From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Sep 05 18:17:08 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:17:08 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1ECS5D-0003XZ-TE for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:17:08 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.193]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ECS57-0003XB-MQ for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:17:07 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 36so1088486wra for ; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:17:00 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=rpMsnTgtl0g/hnYuwGTiOLk9APlst4fpfu+4GNpPYytPXoC62jqXqTlK15iAcnNJiq33WRx0WI4TAAF/LC7pnzL/kcmfBoBYpFRLaSOyMe4OkM7zwSBkaUa09WRww3HaqOZ/KKTT3Kh2W8ZUs8N23kwpua+dcyz06XHnaDLsbcI= Received: by 10.54.3.8 with SMTP id 8mr4462479wrc; Mon, 05 Sep 2005 18:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.118.16 with HTTP; Mon, 5 Sep 2005 18:17:00 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5ccdc75305090518175058c84@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 5 Sep 2005 21:17:00 -0400 From: "la cuncuxnas." To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Two ideas I think are cool... In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_11604_12425056.1125969420314" References: <431C8D8B.5050201@hypermetrics.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 1974 X-Approved-By: thatskotkid@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: thatskotkid@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_11604_12425056.1125969420314 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline That's an idea I like. It'd be nice to be able to guage myself against the= =20 others in the list, and also nice to be able to support the LLG in a way=20 that makes me feel like I'm getting something out of the deal as well.=20 Something more worth paying for than a t-shirt or a coffee mug with=20 something clever written on it. mu'omi'e cuncuxnas. On 9/5/05, Matt Arnold wrote: >=20 > I don't know how many would be interested in this test, but I definitely= =20 > would. Perhaps it would bring revenue to the LLG or perhaps it wouldn't, = but=20 > I would be willing to pay the fee for a formal test. > -epkat >=20 > On 9/5/05, Hal Fulton wrote: > >=20 > > Two ideas: > >=20 > > 1. For the "snob factor," assign a "number" to each person in the Lojba= n > > community. A lower number indicates old-timer status, a higher one=20 > > indicates > > newbie status. Register all the lowest numbers (John Cowan et al.)=20 > > manually,=20 > > then eventually throw it open to "first come, first served." > >=20 > > This idea is stolen from Tivoli (though it's probably been done=20 > > elsewhere). > > At that company, it was a playful kind of status symbol: "What, you're= =20 > > only=20 > > employee 325? Ha, beat you, I'm 297." Sometimes it was a little less=20 > > than > > playful, as the lower numbers had more meaning: "See that guy over=20 > > there? > > He's employee number 8." > >=20 > > 2. A more practical idea:=20 > >=20 > > A test of Lojban literacy -- like an SAT for Lojban speakers. > > - Make it fine-grained, high-resolution. Four-digit score, like SAT or= =20 > > chess > > rankings? > > - Separate sections for grammar, vocabulary, reading comprehension,=20 > > etc.?=20 > > - Make most (all?) of it computer-gradeable. > > - Possible essay section? Could be computer syntax-checked. Would have= =20 > > to be > > human-graded for semantics. > > - Randomize the question content so you never take the exact same test= =20 > > twice.=20 > > - Let the first test be free. > > - Let people take it every six months for a small fee which supports=20 > > LLG. > > - Discount for students, I'd say. Or even free for people < 18. > >=20 > > A test like this could provide=20 > > - an objective indication of your own Lojban knowledge > > - incentive to learn more > > - playful competitiveness or bragging rights > >=20 > >=20 > > Tell me your thoughts... > >=20 > >=20 > > Hal > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > >=20 > ------=_Part_11604_12425056.1125969420314 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline That's an idea I like.  It'd be nice to be able to guage myself against the others in the list, and also nice to be able to support the LLG in a way that makes me feel like I'm getting something out of the deal as well.  Something more worth paying for than a t-shirt or a coffee mug with something clever written on it.

mu'omi'e cuncuxnas.

On 9/5/05, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:
I don't know how many would be interested in this test, but I definitely would. Perhaps it would bring revenue to the LLG or perhaps it wouldn't, but I would be willing to pay the fee for a formal test.
-epkat


On 9/5/05, Hal Fulton<= /b> < hal9000@hypermetrics.com> wrote:
Two ideas:

1. For the "snob factor," assign a "number= " to each person in the Lojban
community. A lower number indicates = old-timer status, a higher one indicates
newbie status. Register all the= lowest numbers (John Cowan et al.) manually,
then eventually throw it open to "first come, first served."<= br>
This idea is stolen from Tivoli (though it's probably been done else= where).
At that company, it was a playful kind of status symbol: "W= hat, you're only
employee 325? Ha, beat you, I'm 297." Sometimes it was a little le= ss than
playful, as the lower numbers had more meaning: "See that g= uy over there?
He's employee number 8."

2. A more practical = idea:

A test of Lojban literacy -- like an SAT for Lojban speakers.
&n= bsp;  -  Make it fine-grained, high-resolution. Four-digit s= core, like SAT or chess
      rankings?   -  Separate sections for grammar, vocabulary, readi= ng comprehension, etc.?
   -  Make most (all?) of it computer-gradeable.   -  Possible essay section? Could be computer syntax= -checked. Would have to be
      human-gra= ded for semantics.
   -  Randomize the question cont= ent so you never take the exact same test twice.
   -  Let the first test be free.
   -=   Let people take it every six months for a small fee which suppo= rts LLG.
   -  Discount for students, I'd say. Or ev= en free for people < 18.

A test like this could provide
   - an objective indication of your own Lojban knowledge
=    - incentive to learn more
   - playful competitiv= eness or bragging rights


Tell me your thoughts...


Hal=






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