From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Sep 06 07:02:46 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 06 Sep 2005 07:02:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1ECe2A-0000Aw-Gd for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 07:02:46 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ECe25-0000An-MQ for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 07:02:46 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so661747wri for ; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 07:02:40 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=Gwrjd6JrhcQ9aITvtNirKYHjr6o8bxiDm33wYvkjDHqkbQWXnO0bX53/kyWYiKH6M/nXWtBmBFeFJEcRHb0Uyi+u7xQEzAQ6C02hiripX5k0C1n0ljhhaRU/tcDVpz/BNhXaC5wu9fhXN/qcqzIYf0EwH7uKLHzyJHhN3jJDl7o= Received: by 10.54.33.26 with SMTP id g26mr4384118wrg; Tue, 06 Sep 2005 07:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.66.7 with HTTP; Tue, 6 Sep 2005 07:02:39 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d1756050906070260441324@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 6 Sep 2005 11:02:39 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: three-letter gismu? In-Reply-To: <431D5994.8070009@gulik.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_8702_30022446.1126015359280" References: <431D5994.8070009@gulik.co.nz> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 1984 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_8702_30022446.1126015359280 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 9/6/05, Michael van der Gulik wrote:=20 >=20 > Was there ever a proposal to have a plain, regular 3-letter system for > everything - gismu, rafsi and cmavo?=20 Not really within Lojban. The CVCCV and CCVCV forms for gismu are basically the distinguishing feature of=20 Lojban/Loglan. But yes, many people have often complained about the rafsi system and proposed different schemes to simplify it, without much success. =20 There should be enough words - take > na=EFvely for example only CVC combinations (consonent-vowel-consonent) - > assuming we use, say, 20 consonents and 5 vowels, we could form a > vocabulary of 20*5*20 =3D 2000 words. This compares well to lojban's 1400 > or so gismu and however many cmavo. The problem with that is that you have too little redundancy, too many words that sound too similar. I think Vorlin uses=20 CVC words.=20 mu'o mi'e xorxes ------=_Part_8702_30022446.1126015359280 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

On 9/6/05, M= ichael van der Gulik <mikevdg= @gulik.co.nz> wrote:
Was there ever a proposal to hav= e a plain, regular 3-letter system for
everything - gismu, rafsi and cma= vo?=20
 
 
Not really within Lojban. The CVCCV and CCVCV forms
for gismu are basically the distinguishing feature of
Lojban/Loglan. But yes, many people have often complained
about the rafsi system and proposed different schemes
to simplify it, without much success.
 

There should be enough words - t= ake
na=EFvely for example only CVC combinations (consonent-vowel-consone= nt) -
assuming we use, say, 20 consonents and 5 vowels, we could form a
vo= cabulary of 20*5*20 =3D 2000 words. This compares well to lojban's 1400
= or so gismu and however many cmavo.
 
The problem with that is that you have too little redundancy,
too many words that sound too similar. I think Vorlin uses
CVC words.

mu'o mi'e xorxes
 
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