From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 07 08:17:31 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 07 Sep 2005 08:17:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1ED1g3-0006GK-D1 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 08:17:31 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ED1g0-0006GC-NJ for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 08:17:31 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n29so1003931nzf for ; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 08:17:27 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=cImjjUqdMm5+eZqNFY84ZgZ6XWoufXWbjv53St/IKPLcPoC7/zo1ZA+xR97rhlvWpZjnK4TCYb+pEjk9Ix4OW7iKt49N4fBFpNrfye1XZbESq7SKCifOTxBbxmGvrhFk9wZdp9kWeh/Bp6qfLz9eAmswdinVcaqO1w4+G1NMLww= Received: by 10.36.220.75 with SMTP id s75mr1324935nzg; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 08:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.222.64 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:17:26 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2d3df92a0509070817537da081@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 17:17:26 +0200 From: HeliodoR To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: three-letter gismu? In-Reply-To: <431ECD79.8040003@gulik.co.nz> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_13459_4115874.1126106246555" References: <431D5994.8070009@gulik.co.nz> <2d3df92a050906072639f0c403@mail.gmail.com> <431ECD79.8040003@gulik.co.nz> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 2003 X-Approved-By: exitconsole@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: exitconsole@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_13459_4115874.1126106246555 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline doi .filip. > And I think that the Angles got their name because they came from an > angle-shaped piece of land. That's possible... anyway, thanks! la maikyl. pu ciska di'e .u'i > After looking through the Lojbanic dictionary, I'm pretty certain that a > lot of words can be trimmed. E.g: > mamta -> nimrir > patfu -> naurir > verba -> selrir > Infact, I can't believe there are gismu for some of the words. I would, > for example (running finger down page) never had made "vinji"-airplane. > Wouldn't varma'e be better? It is only one letter longer and saves > people needing to learn that extra gismu. Um... yeah. Not long after signing up to this list to this list I came to= =20 the same idea only with {catlu}, {zgana} and - which I thought would replace both of them= =20 - {viska}. Firstly, I agree with You that words like 'airplane' are very unnecessary,= =20 but what hurts my feelings really is the arbitrary of these expressions. With some o= f=20 them in, some of them out the word-set of Lojban is a bit messy. Secondly: for me those gismu (referring the parents, for example) hold and= =20 transmit a lot more emotions than lujvo derived from root words. And at last: there is no point looking to the past indeed. .uinai The=20 vocabulary stays what it is, with all its arbitrary and somewhat foolish choices. mi'e .xili,odor. ------=_Part_13459_4115874.1126106246555 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
doi .filip.
> And I think that the Angles got their name because they came from= an
> angle-shaped piece of land.
That's possible... anyway, thanks!
 
la maikyl. pu ciska di'e .u'i
> After looking through the Lojban= ic dictionary, I'm pretty certain that a
> lot of words can be trimme= d. E.g:
> mamta -> nimrir
> patfu -> naurir
> verba= -> selrir
> Infact, I can't believe there are gismu for some of the words. I w= ould,
> for example (running finger down page) never had made "v= inji"-airplane.
> Wouldn't varma'e be better? It is only one let= ter longer and saves
> people needing to learn that extra gismu.
Um... yeah. Not long = after signing up to this list to this list I came to the same&nbs= p;idea
only with {catlu}, {zgana} and - which I thought would replace both of= them - {viska}.
Firstly, I agree with You that words like 'airplane' are very unn= ecessary, but what
hurts my feelings really is the arbitrary of these expressions. W= ith some of them in,
some of them out the word-set of Lojban is a bit messy.
Secondly: for me those gismu (referring the parents, for example) = ;hold and transmit
a lot more emotions than lujvo derived from root words.
And at last: there is no point looking to the past indeed. .uinai The = vocabulary stays
what it is, with all its arbitrary and somewhat foolish choices.<= /div>

mi'e .xili,odor.
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