From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 07 08:46:01 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 07 Sep 2005 08:46:02 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1ED27d-0006Xt-Fe for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 08:46:01 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.206]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1ED27W-0006Xb-Op for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 08:46:01 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i21so850750wra for ; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 08:45:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=PlmQB1Q1ajLMPspCq/7F9MUV0M4mAYZosiaGOLO21dfAn1JpKABTyG7xyFsQt9FjorUbceBWp1t9THBxVfKzwyZcn5KXCsIbFKvQiGV1mJYO1YC8+DHzK0VHDdlln3BppAaJnAAGErv59LpHWwfNB/lgrWj/yvNj6XHmjcppReA= Received: by 10.54.144.13 with SMTP id r13mr5247224wrd; Wed, 07 Sep 2005 08:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.140.6 with HTTP; Wed, 7 Sep 2005 08:45:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 7 Sep 2005 11:45:51 -0400 From: Matt Arnold To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: three-letter gismu? In-Reply-To: <2d3df92a0509070817537da081@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_20145_9888379.1126107951556" References: <431D5994.8070009@gulik.co.nz> <2d3df92a050906072639f0c403@mail.gmail.com> <431ECD79.8040003@gulik.co.nz> <2d3df92a0509070817537da081@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 2005 X-Approved-By: matt.mattarn@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_20145_9888379.1126107951556 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline When I decided to learn a constructed language, I had to come to grips with= =20 the fact that none would ever meet my standards. None will ever meet yours= =20 either, and you are wise to recognize this. You have to decide what level= =20 you can accept. My ultimate decision was made based on the fact that Lojban= =20 is overwhelmingly closer to my desires than anything else out there. Most= =20 languages don't even make an attempt to accomplish these goals. I then made= =20 a conscious choice to accept things like this. -epkat On 9/7/05, HeliodoR wrote: >=20 > doi .filip. > > And I think that the Angles got their name because they came from an > > angle-shaped piece of land. > That's possible... anyway, thanks! > la maikyl. pu ciska di'e .u'i > > After looking through the Lojbanic dictionary, I'm pretty certain that = a > > lot of words can be trimmed. E.g: > > mamta -> nimrir > > patfu -> naurir > > verba -> selrir=20 > > Infact, I can't believe there are gismu for some of the words. I would, > > for example (running finger down page) never had made "vinji"-airplane. > > Wouldn't varma'e be better? It is only one letter longer and saves=20 > > people needing to learn that extra gismu. > Um... yeah. Not long after signing up to this list to this list I came to= =20 > the same idea > only with {catlu}, {zgana} and - which I thought would replace both of=20 > them - {viska}. > Firstly, I agree with You that words like 'airplane' are very unnecessary= ,=20 > but what > hurts my feelings really is the arbitrary of these expressions. With some= =20 > of them in, > some of them out the word-set of Lojban is a bit messy. > Secondly: for me those gismu (referring the parents, for example) hold an= d=20 > transmit > a lot more emotions than lujvo derived from root words. > And at last: there is no point looking to the past indeed. .uinai The=20 > vocabulary stays > what it is, with all its arbitrary and somewhat foolish choices. >=20 > mi'e .xili,odor. > ------=_Part_20145_9888379.1126107951556 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline When I decided to learn a constructed language, I had to come to grips with the fact that none would ever meet my standards. None will ever meet yours either, and you are wise to recognize this. You have to decide what level you can accept. My ultimate decision was made based on the fact that Lojban is overwhelmingly closer to my desires than anything else out there. Most languages don't even make an attempt to accomplish these goals. I then made a conscious choice to accept things like this.
-epkat

On 9/7/05, HeliodoR <exit= console@gmail.com> wrote:
doi .filip.
> And I think that the Angles got their name because they came from= an
> angle-shaped piece of land.
That's possible... anyway, thanks!
 
la maikyl. pu ciska di'e .u'i
> After looking = through the Lojbanic dictionary, I'm pretty certain that a
> lot of w= ords can be trimmed. E.g:
> mamta -> nimrir
> patfu -> na= urir
> verba -> selrir
> Infact, I can't believe there are gismu for some of the words. I w= ould,
> for example (running finger down page) never had made "v= inji"-airplane.
> Wouldn't varma'e be better? It is only one let= ter longer and saves
> people needing to learn that extra gismu.
Um... yeah. No= t long after signing up to this list to this list I came to the s= ame idea
only with {catlu}, {zgana} and - which I thought would replace both of= them - {viska}.
Firstly, I agree with You that words like 'airplane' are very unn= ecessary, but what
hurts my feelings really is the arbitrary of these expressions. W= ith some of them in,
some of them out the word-set of Lojban is a bit messy.
Secondly: for me those gismu (referring the parents, for example) = ;hold and transmit
a lot more emotions than lujvo derived from root words.
And at last: there is no point looking to the past indeed. .uinai The = vocabulary stays
what it is, with all its arbitrary and somewhat foolish choices.<= /div>

mi'e .xili,odor.

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