From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 09 05:48:06 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 09 Sep 2005 05:48:06 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EDiIX-0000jK-W6 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 05:48:06 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.203]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EDiIW-0000jA-6o for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 05:48:05 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n29so1293620nzf for ; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 05:48:01 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=XDNQsX0MXH2r0uEy0+clDAQGdwDpptzB4ZLtlnxEpaGzkB3jCH2hDmwHinMM8Z3/KtHWadifb0ZseR1A4GG6z0sGQrWoR1JnrtD7m4lJu1jShKTPzqa3s6gSGn1V+9DZ29JCWy1TQdqcfp4CwuAdST387Nwyi4Tp8fL8xiGYwK4= Received: by 10.36.58.2 with SMTP id g2mr272178nza; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 05:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.222.64 with HTTP; Fri, 9 Sep 2005 05:48:01 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2d3df92a050909054855512dd9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 9 Sep 2005 14:48:01 +0200 From: HeliodoR To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: What's up? In-Reply-To: <20050908181044.GC13186@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_909_12165557.1126270081646" References: <5ccdc75305090714255880b991@mail.gmail.com> <2d3df92a05090806555ec6e697@mail.gmail.com> <20050908181044.GC13186@chain.digitalkingdom.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 2037 X-Approved-By: exitconsole@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: exitconsole@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_909_12165557.1126270081646 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline la robin. cusku ti > On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 03:55:52PM +0200, HeliodoR wrote: > > Well, if You think logically, the second {ma} (of {ma mo ma} > > naturally) is kind of {zo'e} in fact. >=20 > That's entirely incorrect. >=20 > {ma mo ma} means "Give me two sumti, and a relation that relates > them.". This is very different from {ma mo zo'e}, which means "Give > me a sumti and a relation that relates it to something unspecified". >=20 > Now, in either case, since there's a mo in there, you're probably > going to answer with a single full bridi, but technically the answer > should be a sumti, a bridi, and another sumti, as seperate > sentences. .ua.uinai Now I see my reply was nonsense. {ma mo zo'e} otherwise {ma mo} really means "Give me an argument and a relation. (Don't care about other arguments.)" I should have written "{ma mo} is more logical/covering/useful than {ma mo ma}" instead of "{ma mo ma} actually is {ma mo}" which is silly. ki'e robin. mi'e .xili,odor. ------=_Part_909_12165557.1126270081646 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
la robin. cusku ti
On Thu, Sep 08, 2005 at 03:55:52= PM +0200, HeliodoR wrote:
> Well, if You think logically, the second = {ma} (of {ma mo ma}
> naturally) is kind of {zo'e} in fact.

That's entirely incor= rect.

{ma mo ma} means "Give me two sumti, and a relation that = relates
them.".  This is very different from {ma mo zo'e}= , which means "Give
me a sumti and a relation that relates it to something unspecified"= ;.

Now, in either case, since there's a mo in there, you're probably=
going to answer with a single full bridi, but technically the answer
should be a sumti, a bridi, and another sumti, as seperate
sentences= .
.ua.uinai Now I see my reply was nonsense.
{ma mo zo'e} otherwise {ma mo} really means "Give me an argu= ment
and a relation. (Don't care about other arguments.)"
I should have written "{ma mo} is more logical/covering/usef= ul than
{ma mo ma}" instead of "{ma mo ma} actually is {ma mo}&= quot; which is
silly.
ki'e robin.
 
mi'e .xili,odor.
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