From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 09 22:07:23 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 09 Sep 2005 22:07:23 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EDxaF-0005v5-DG for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 22:07:23 -0700 Received: from ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com ([24.93.47.41] helo=ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EDxaB-0005ux-P4 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Fri, 09 Sep 2005 22:07:23 -0700 Received: from hypermetrics.com (cpe-66-68-164-156.austin.res.rr.com [66.68.164.156]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8A57De1026548 for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:07:14 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <43226A01.6040301@hypermetrics.com> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 00:07:13 -0500 From: Hal Fulton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4.1) Gecko/20031114 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban standardized test(s) References: <431C8D8B.5050201@hypermetrics.com> <1126250452.14320.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2d3df92a050909060846029dba@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560509090639196bbbd0@mail.gmail.com> In-Reply-To: <925d17560509090639196bbbd0@mail.gmail.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-MIME-Autoconverted: from 8bit to quoted-printable by ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com id j8A57De1026548 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2042 X-Approved-By: hal9000@hypermetrics.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: hal9000@hypermetrics.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Jorge Llambías wrote: > On 9/9/05, HeliodoR wrote: > >>Excellent. .ui >>...but who's to make such a test after all? > > I'd be willing to make or collaborate in making it, from > the language side. But I would need someone else > to do the technical/software implementation. I'm the opposite. I'm a programmer but I have very little Lojban knowledge. A couple of other things I could bring to the table: I'm an author and I was a teacher (community college) for four years, besides my two years as a TA in grad school. I have made quite a few tests. :) > This or something > based on that might serve as a start for people who know > how to fiddle with those things. I think there are enough coders lurking here that we could design something of our own pretty easily. A web-based solution might be good. We could start with a simple fixed list of questions. Then later we could add in some randomizing of content, and even pick a small number of questions from a larger pool. (E.g., ask all the "important" cmavo, and then a random 10% of the lesser-used ones.) > At this point, I don't think a human-graded test would > be realistic, but a lot can be done with computer-grading. Right, grading by hand would be a pain. But even reading comprehension can be tested with simple multiple choice or fill-in-the-blank questions and so on. Hal