From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Sep 10 09:11:41 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 10 Sep 2005 09:11:41 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EE7x7-00085F-By for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 09:11:41 -0700 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EE7x2-000856-A9 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 09:11:41 -0700 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i25so1420472wra for ; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 09:11:33 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=lrBxpF2SqW735oVE8UzgDYNGdA+S6L5fgmBWUrv0+WR36dEk3kbr18qmGYzN2+2INK3mVMP3NoMs+AfUT+wS3ovVG8Izk+OmAahR+EnvSHbta0c7eKngSaXJmQCxbqQ/3Wqwucb35vC8iOIJz+fDUYVab/khZ+I5gCc6eKOHvkg= Received: by 10.54.69.19 with SMTP id r19mr919533wra; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 09:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.66.5 with HTTP; Sat, 10 Sep 2005 09:11:33 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <925d175605091009115cecd4f9@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 10 Sep 2005 13:11:33 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lojban standardized test(s) In-Reply-To: <43226A01.6040301@hypermetrics.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <431C8D8B.5050201@hypermetrics.com> <1126250452.14320.47.camel@localhost.localdomain> <2d3df92a050909060846029dba@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560509090639196bbbd0@mail.gmail.com> <43226A01.6040301@hypermetrics.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 2043 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 9/10/05, Hal Fulton wrote: > Jorge Llambías wrote: > > > > This or something > > based on that might serve as a start for people who know > > how to fiddle with those things. > > I think there are enough coders lurking here that we could > design something of our own pretty easily. Sure, I only mentioned that because it's what I found looking for some test-making software. Should we set up a special list for those who want to help in making the test? Robin, what do you think? > A web-based solution might be good. I think that's how it ought to be yes, fully automated. > We could start with a simple fixed list of questions. Then > later we could add in some randomizing of content, and even > pick a small number of questions from a larger pool. (E.g., > ask all the "important" cmavo, and then a random 10% of > the lesser-used ones.) My preference would be to make it a Lojban-only test, with no English in the questions or answers, so that a minimum of proficiency would be required to at least understand the directives. But it can still start with very simple questions, for example: 1- mi ----- le zarci A) blanu B) klama C) cu D) slinku'i > > At this point, I don't think a human-graded test would > > be realistic, but a lot can be done with computer-grading. > > Right, grading by hand would be a pain. But even reading > comprehension can be tested with simple multiple choice > or fill-in-the-blank questions and so on. Yes. What I liked about the Hot Potatoes suite is that it has several different types of tests so that the test can be made more varied and entertaining than just a long list of multiple choice questions. mu'o mi'e xorxes