From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 14 20:58:04 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:58:04 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EFksu-00035l-1M for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:58:04 -0700 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com ([66.249.82.196]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EFksl-00035W-DT for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:58:03 -0700 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h27so185546wxd for ; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:57:51 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=cZw6FGExqsBT0sKkFdvixYMwOO7PWcIGy0elANQVgh0jQf1ZGYk+wMCbaDeflBah2vXlxP4ZekG9kaFLakp+N4C9MICuYA9MvaFJT8wAVXP8Ai5XhuMFOaKpAR1SKU2lTgsEsCZD1HXU9VZVXxS9D/yiaI/MxaX+kmFNi+tvAJk= Received: by 10.70.50.2 with SMTP id x2mr147231wxx; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.70.15.20 with HTTP; Wed, 14 Sep 2005 20:57:51 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <535730ee05091420571ecb353a@mail.gmail.com> Date: Wed, 14 Sep 2005 22:57:51 -0500 From: Nora Kischer-Browne To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: just a hobby? In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <2d3df92a0509010707627a218@mail.gmail.com> <431A6D40.8000904@gulik.co.nz> <535730ee05090422533e3b20c7@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 2071 X-Approved-By: azetidine@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: azetidine@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Apologies for being so late in response--school gets in the way of reading the large amount of spoor you lojbanists leave behind. :P Also, I am (nominally) female. Thus implying that my harem would, indeed, be formed of masculine components. Although, for various reasons, they need not be sexual in nature. And Michael: It could be argued that training an AI is equivalent to making it, but the idea is to get it to bootstrap that process as much as possible, so that the training comes not so much from trainer-guided input and processing as from self-supervised input and processing. I mean, sure, someone'd have to create the kernel that's capable of this. Like making babies, I suppose. But the kid (the AI, in theory) teaches itself with mostly indirect guidance. Explicity telling a kid (or an AI) how to grow up, instruction by instruction, would be... tedious, painstaking, even (as mentioned before) herculean. *shrug* Bah, it's all science fiction anyway. At least for the next 20 years. ^_~ mi'e .noras. On 9/5/05, Matt Arnold wrote: > Where did he say cool? He said leet. There's a big difference. Do not read > it to mean popular among the millions of average non-elites. Leet implies > honor within an elite specialized geek crowd. > -Matt > > > On 9/5/05, Naomi K wrote: > > Leet? Cool? i'd be living in a fantasy world if Lojban was the 'cool' > langauge (not implying that the people who are currently doing Lojban are > NOT cool... :-P). 'Cool' is 'popular', 'in vogue', etc...definitely not > Lojban...yet (or am I being overly optimistic by adding the 'yet'? Ok, I'll > stop analysing my email now...) > > > > mi'e .nei,omis. > > > > > > > > > > > > On 9/5/05, Nora Kischer-Browne wrote: > > > Damnit, Michael, you stole my plan. :P > > > > > > Except that I wouldn't write the AI, as that's somewhat inefficient, > > > herculean, and messy--I'd grow it and train it, like you do kids. Or > > > have the people buying these "electronic domestic servants" train them > > > themselves and spare me the trouble. > > > > > > And also, I would've established a sizeable harem for myself, > > > consisting of a good portion of the people I'd've given small > > > countries to, thereby effectively continuing to control those small > > > countries. > > > > > > Oh, yeah. Lojban. I do it as a hobby, too. But also for "Whee, leet > > > secret language!" reasons. And also for "I want to teach a class* in > > > this someday!" > > > > > > Also because all the cool kids are doing it. > > > > > > mi'e .noras. > > > > > > * http://web.grinnell.edu/exco/ > > > > > > On 9/3/05, Michael van der Gulik < mikevdg@gulik.co.nz> wrote: > > > > HeliodoR wrote: > > > > > > > > > I must ask You guys about what Lojban exactly is for You. > > > > > Is it only a hobby? An interesting experiment of languages and > > > > > communication? Or do believe that the logical language has a future? > > > > > I'm curious about the answers. > > > > > > > > I find Lojban interesting because it can be parsed by a computer and > > > > potentially understood. One day, I plan to write a sentient artificial > > > > intelligence (which one would talk to using Lojban...), which I will > > > > then distribute across the world under the guise of electronic > domestic > > > > servants and eventually attain world domination by exerting my will > over > > > > them. If you're nice to me, I might give you a small country :-). > > > > > > > > Until then, I'm still trying to memorise all those gismu!! > > > > > > > > Michael. > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > >