From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Sep 17 07:45:54 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:45:55 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EGdww-0001Pe-Jr for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:45:54 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.193]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EGdwt-0001PX-Ud for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:45:54 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n29so175369nzf for ; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:45:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=NaRCW6yGPdNuVixKzrnyGN2UB3ut2UtxGYabOSBhvEKBolvicdSSHlu8mTcj4PHsmIr7ayqmts+EmE9tzDMAdklRJyxdriSr1XZYThDHWsGK4qkUj7RMHC37kSOJ+2WbzjNFMVkMOtkzhiTLB7YQulSN/SXO1j9KzTCa3hRMujk= Received: by 10.54.56.75 with SMTP id e75mr177404wra; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.118.16 with HTTP; Sat, 17 Sep 2005 07:45:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <5ccdc753050917074515f7baf4@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 17 Sep 2005 10:45:46 -0400 From: "la cuncuxnas." To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Genders In-Reply-To: Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6539_25599947.1126968346794" References: X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 2109 X-Approved-By: thatskotkid@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: thatskotkid@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_6539_25599947.1126968346794 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline There probably is a really easy way to do that kind of thing. The lojbanist= s=20 who know what they're doing pull linguistic tricks from out the very air,= =20 and I feel like a six-year-old at his birthday party trying to figure out= =20 how that rabbit got in that man's hat in the first place. But it seems to m= e=20 that Lojban doesn't really have a lot of those titles, or honorifics, or=20 anything. (The 'hauteur' cmavo comes close, though.) I think such nomial=20 add-ons would come naturally through usage (and, also, adding straight rafs= i=20 to names wouldn't be a bad way to do it, in my opinion). Or there's that=20 really easy way I just don't know about, either one. Although, having things like Mr. and Ms. doesn't necessarily mean that=20 they'll specify gender; I know Japanese has honorifics that cover both=20 genders (-san, for example), and I would think (or at least hope) that=20 Lojban would do the same. One of the things I like about Lojban is the=20 avoidance of the whole "sexist pronouns/language" debate. mu'omi'e cuncuxnas. On 9/17/05, Naomi K wrote: >=20 > coi >=20 > Is there any easy way to distinguish genders in lojban; e.g. how would yo= u=20 > say 'Mr and Mrs Smith'? I was thinking of incorporating 'nin' and 'nan' i= nto=20 > the names e.g. la smitnin .e la smitnan, but that would sort of distort= =20 > the name somewhat. >=20 > ... >=20 > mu'a mi'e .nei,omis. ------=_Part_6539_25599947.1126968346794 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline There probably is a really easy way to do that kind of thing.  The lojbanists who know what they're doing pull linguistic tricks from out the very air, and I feel like a six-year-old at his birthday party trying to figure out how that rabbit got in that man's hat in the first place.  But it seems to me that Lojban doesn't really have a lot of those titles, or honorifics, or anything.  (The 'hauteur' cmavo comes close, though.)  I think such nomial add-ons would come naturally through usage (and, also, adding straight rafsi to names wouldn't be a bad way to do it, in my opinion).  Or there's that really easy way I just don't know about, either one.

Although, having things like Mr. and Ms. doesn't necessarily mean that they'll specify gender; I know Japanese has honorifics that cover both genders (-san, for example), and I would think (or at least hope) that Lojban would do the same.  One of the things I like about Lojban is the avoidance of the whole "sexist pronouns/language" debate.<= br>
mu'omi'e cuncuxnas.

On 9/17/05, Naomi K <alien.juxtaposition@gmail.com> wrote: coi

  Is there any easy way to distinguish genders in lojban; e.g. how would you say 'Mr and Mrs Smith'? I was thinking of incorporating 'nin' and 'nan' into the names  e.g. la smitnin .e la smitnan, but that would sort of distort the name somewhat.

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mu'a mi'e .nei,omis.

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