From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Sep 20 14:12:24 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:18:01 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EHpPc-0008Ke-Dj for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:12:24 -0700 Received: from outmx008.isp.belgacom.be ([195.238.3.235]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_3DES_EDE_CBC_SHA1:24) (Exim 4.52) id 1EHpPW-0008KX-MK for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 14:12:24 -0700 Received: from outmx008.isp.belgacom.be (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by outmx008.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id j8KLC6t2013168 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:12:06 +0200 (envelope-from ) Received: from pi (96.229-201-80.adsl.skynet.be [80.201.229.96]) by outmx008.isp.belgacom.be (8.12.11/8.12.11/Skynet-OUT-2.22) with ESMTP id j8KLBwrP013104 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:11:58 +0200 (envelope-from ) Received: from wim by pi with local (Exim 3.36 #1 (Debian)) id 1EHpS3-0004Jv-00 for ; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:14:55 +0200 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:14:55 +0200 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: PodCast comments ... Message-ID: <20050920211455.GB16030@pi> References: <200509201654.59524.colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <200509201654.59524.colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.10i From: Wim Coenen X-Spam-Score: -1.0 (-) X-archive-position: 2190 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: wim.coenen@advalvas.be Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 04:54:59PM +0100, Colin Wright wrote: > I have a real problem with part of it, though. Throughout the letter "o" is > being pronounced as the vowel sound(s) in these words: > > low > though > toe > crow > > This includes, specifically, in the word "lojban". My understanding from the > written material is that the "o" sound should be a pure vowel, pronounced as > in "topic" or "hot". I had the same feeling about the pronounciation of lojban. It sounds very american that way, but I wouldn't call it wrong. Plus, I just listened to the podcast again, and realized that epkat only pronounces lojban 'american style' when it's part of an english sentence, *not* in the lojban parts. Something which did have me worry, was epkats remark that {e} should always be prounced http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/71/Open-mid_front_unrounded_vowel.ogg Personally I pronounce it as http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/6c/Close-mid_front_unrounded_vowel.ogg which is (to me as a dutch speaker) a very different sound. I am pretty sure that both are correct. If not, then somebody should correct the wikipedia article on lojban. mu'o mi'e .uim.