From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Sep 20 23:45:29 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:45:29 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EHyMC-0003NP-PQ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:45:28 -0700 Received: from rlpowell by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EHyMB-0003NI-Bd for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:45:28 -0700 Date: Tue, 20 Sep 2005 23:45:27 -0700 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: PodCast comments ... Message-ID: <20050921064527.GF2064@chain.digitalkingdom.org> References: <200509201654.59524.colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com> <20050920211455.GB16030@pi> <737b61f3050920170756540826@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <737b61f3050920170756540826@mail.gmail.com> User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i From: Robin Lee Powell X-archive-position: 2199 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 07:07:14PM -0500, Chris Capel wrote: > On 9/20/05, Wim Coenen wrote: > > On Tue, Sep 20, 2005 at 04:54:59PM +0100, Colin Wright wrote: > > > I have a real problem with part of it, though. Throughout the > > > letter "o" is being pronounced as the vowel sound(s) in these > > > words: > > > > > > low > > > though > > > toe > > > crow > > > > > > This includes, specifically, in the word "lojban". My > > > understanding from the written material is that the "o" sound > > > should be a pure vowel, pronounced as in "topic" or "hot". > > > > I had the same feeling about the pronounciation of lojban. It > > sounds very american that way, but I wouldn't call it wrong. > > Plus, I just listened to the podcast again, and realized that > > epkat only pronounces lojban 'american style' when it's part of > > an english sentence, *not* in the lojban parts. > > Well, the thing is, if you pronounce the O as in "top", then you > have to shift the A over to where it is "van" and "can", otherwise > the two sounds are the same. And, yes, I would say that's a very > American sounding pronunciation, and also very very wrong! Actually, Colin and Wim's point was that they felt that pronouncing it like "low" was very American. You seem seem to be making the opposite point, that pronouncing it like "top" is very American. Certainly the latter is wrong, regardless. -Robin -- http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/