From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 21 06:33:50 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:33:50 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EI4jN-0004CE-VV for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:33:50 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.193]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EI4jL-0004C6-DV for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:33:49 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s1so590836nze for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:33:46 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=tkVU5v+7JWFWlsVz3dZPquCSgXCY01zFw8KBdxZfQ278s9QhHOgpMMCF9cXT68Fvq7pjcmBt/1KkH7zv/rlj/vVhmk4ga/rF+S2UDcyaq/ivgKdxztcbSm1yJqZzAQjKLjvMSzOej74l/hDdAgij/WHY7izYXBdYHRa3mFrSm4s= Received: by 10.54.52.46 with SMTP id z46mr2462371wrz; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.54.142.3 with HTTP; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 06:33:46 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 09:33:46 -0400 From: Matt Arnold To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Test, and a request for help In-Reply-To: <925d1756050921060782b6b83@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_524_7727089.1127309626493" References: <200509201603.56667.colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com> <925d1756050921060782b6b83@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 2204 X-Approved-By: matt.mattarn@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_524_7727089.1127309626493 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 9/21/05, Jorge Llamb=EDas wrote: > > You should especially avoid thinking of {ponse} as "have". > Don't use {ponse} in: > > I have three sisters. > I have a headache. > I have a book in my hand. > I have something to tell you. > I have brown eyes. > etc, etc, etc. > > Think of {ponse} as "own". There is no Lojban word for "have". > There is {ralte}, a word for "retain", however. That comes with the same provisos. -epkat ------=_Part_524_7727089.1127309626493 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 9/21/05, Jorge Llamb=EDas <jjllambias@gmail.com> wrote:
You should especially avoid thinking of {ponse} as "have".
Don= 't use {ponse} in: 

I ha= ve three sisters.
I have a headache.
I have a book in my hand.
I h= ave something to tell you.
I have brown eyes.
etc, etc, etc.

Think of {ponse} as "o= wn". There is no Lojban word for "have".

There is {ralte}, a word for "retain", however. That comes with t= he same provisos.
-epkat
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