From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 21 13:14:34 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:14:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EIAzC-0001qR-K0 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:14:34 -0700 Received: from miranda.org ([65.124.18.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EIAz7-0001qJ-Mb for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 13:14:34 -0700 Received: (qmail 11550 invoked by uid 534); 21 Sep 2005 14:14:28 -0600 From: jkominek@miranda.org Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 14:14:28 -0600 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Questions (literally) Message-ID: <20050921201428.GO29546@miranda.org> References: <200509111152.03643.scottr@synthiotics.com> <20050911192124.GC29546@miranda.org> <4331B6E9.3050002@handgranat.org> <925d1756050921130263897862@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <925d1756050921130263897862@mail.gmail.com> Accept-Language: jbo, en User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2214 X-Approved-By: jkominek@miranda.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: jkominek@miranda.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Wed, Sep 21, 2005 at 05:02:40PM -0300, Jorge Llamb?as wrote: > On 9/21/05, Sunnan wrote: > > jkominek@miranda.org wrote: > > > > >There is no particular need to turn it into a luvjo, anyways. Besides, > > >most people making lujvo shouldn't be doing so. It is a subtle process. > > > > > > > > What resource or tutorial would you recommend for these clumsy > > lujvo-posers (which might or mightn't include me) to read? > > > Section 11. No. No. No. That tells you enough to make morphologically correct lujvo. That doesn't tell you enough to make lujvo worth making and using and abusing other people with, which is the point of my original statement. There isn't some magical treatise which will allow you to start making reasonable lujvo. The first step is to stop wanting to make lujvo. Then, when you find you need to do it anyways, and other people think you have succeeded, you've moved beyond beginnerness. But the first step is key. Don't worry about lujvo. If you're not putting complete sentences together with ease, you're not ready to condense things down into single words. -- Jay Kominek