From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Wed Sep 21 21:53:47 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:53:47 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EIJ5f-00014N-Fm for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:53:47 -0700 Received: from ms-smtp-03.texas.rr.com ([24.93.47.42] helo=ms-smtp-03-eri0.texas.rr.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EIJ5a-00014F-S1 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 21:53:47 -0700 Received: from hypermetrics.com (cpe-66-68-164-156.austin.res.rr.com [66.68.164.156]) by ms-smtp-03-eri0.texas.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8M4rbRZ020800 for ; Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:53:37 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <433238D1.1070204@hypermetrics.com> Date: Wed, 21 Sep 2005 23:53:37 -0500 From: Hal Fulton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4.1) Gecko/20031114 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Pronunciation problems I have Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2232 X-Approved-By: hal9000@hypermetrics.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: hal9000@hypermetrics.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners As a resident of the southern USA, but with far less accent than many, I have some significant problems with pronunciation. Most, I think, have to do with being an English speaker in general rather than American English in particular. A terminal {a} I tend to pronounce as "uh" (or {y}) rather than "ah." I know better, it's just a little difficult. A terminal {i} I have no problem with, but one in the middle comes out as an English short i if I am not careful -- thus {cipni} comes out as "ship knee" rather than "sheep knee." :) Similarly I have a tendency to pronounce a terminal {e} as {ei} for some reason. Or sometimes even a nonterminal one, e.g. {lenu} as "laynoo." (Sorry!) Somewhere (in LFB?) I read that "Alabama" could not be rendered as .alabamas. because it contains "la" -- not legal for cmene. It was suggested that .alybamas. might work. I realized then that when I was {.alabamas.}, I was already saying {.alybamas.} anyway. Oops! Anyone else have certain characteristic problems with Lojbanic pronunciation? Hal