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Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Pronunciation problems I have
From: Theodore Reed <treed@surreality.us>
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On Wed, 2005-09-21 at 23:53 -0500, Hal Fulton wrote:
> As a resident of the southern USA, but with far less
> accent than many, I have some significant problems
> with pronunciation. Most, I think, have to do with
> being an English speaker in general rather than
> American English in particular.
> 
> A terminal {a} I tend to pronounce as "uh" (or {y})
> rather than "ah." I know better, it's just a little
> difficult.

Yeah, I do this.

> A terminal {i} I have no problem with, but one in the
> middle comes out as an English short i if I am not
> careful -- thus {cipni} comes out as "ship knee" rather
> than "sheep knee."  :)

Don't have a problem with this.

> Similarly I have a tendency to pronounce a terminal {e}
> as {ei} for some reason. Or sometimes even a nonterminal
> one, e.g. {lenu} as "laynoo." (Sorry!)

I have a big problem with this at the end of gismu, but for some reason,
not with le.

> Somewhere (in LFB?) I read that "Alabama" could not be
> rendered as .alabamas. because it contains "la" -- not
> legal for cmene. It was suggested that .alybamas. might
> work. I realized then that when I was {.alabamas.}, I
> was already saying {.alybamas.} anyway. Oops!
> 
> Anyone else have certain characteristic problems with
> Lojbanic pronunciation?

I think you covered the major ones.