From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Sep 22 07:56:42 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 22 Sep 2005 08:33:53 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EISV8-0002tC-E6 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:56:42 -0700 Received: from moutng.kundenserver.de ([212.227.126.171]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EISV3-0002t2-In for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 07:56:42 -0700 Received: from p54A0866C.dip0.t-ipconnect.de [84.160.134.108] (helo=[192.168.178.21]) by mrelayeu.kundenserver.de with ESMTP (Nemesis), id 0ML21M-1EISV13muB-0005Lu; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:56:35 +0200 Message-ID: <4332C624.6040804@online.de> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 16:56:36 +0200 From: klaus schmirler User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.1; en-US; rv:1.7.11) Gecko/20050728 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Your PodCast References: <200509201757.07775.colin.wright@denbridgemarine.com> <43324F3C.3000003@gulik.co.nz> <25a35b7aff27d5a31d7ca7975f6233b9@ghostgun.com> In-Reply-To: <25a35b7aff27d5a31d7ca7975f6233b9@ghostgun.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Provags-ID: kundenserver.de abuse@kundenserver.de login:5e2e22a5d422cd51ce0171a884c92cf6 X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2249 X-Approved-By: jkominek@miranda.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: KSchmir@online.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners jm wrote: > Did a quick look around the net for phonetic sound files and found this > version of english vowels. > http://multiweb.lib.calpoly.edu/medialib/epa/vowels.html Perhaps, robin > or someone in the know would care to point to the english vowel that is > closest. Then phonetics site with the exact sound to avoid confusion > (with notation as well as sound if possible). The closest vowel is "o", except that it is not a vowel but should have been classified with the diphthongs ("ou" or "inverted e - u"; the u is the lowered one, inverted omega). The way it is, it is about as accurate as a transcription of "i" for their diphthong "ay". I like tha fact that they transcribe [a] with a instead of the inverted v, though. For the pure vowel, you should get out your old Gigli, Lanza and Pinza records. klaus