From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Sep 22 17:12:38 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:12:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EIbB8-0003XM-Ok for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:12:38 -0700 Received: from ms-smtp-02.texas.rr.com ([24.93.47.41] helo=ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EIbB2-0003XD-G4 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 17:12:38 -0700 Received: from hypermetrics.com (cpe-66-68-164-156.austin.res.rr.com [66.68.164.156]) by ms-smtp-02-eri0.texas.rr.com (8.12.10/8.12.7) with ESMTP id j8N0CTe1009098 for ; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:12:29 -0500 (CDT) Message-ID: <4333486C.9010609@hypermetrics.com> Date: Thu, 22 Sep 2005 19:12:28 -0500 From: Hal Fulton User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (X11; U; Linux i686; en-US; rv:1.4.1) Gecko/20031114 X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Holoalphabetic sentence? Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Virus-Scanned: Symantec AntiVirus Scan Engine X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2268 X-Approved-By: hal9000@hypermetrics.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: hal9000@hypermetrics.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners A "holoalphabetic sentence" is one that uses all the letters of the alphabet. In English, the most common one (known to almost every typing student) is "The quick brown fox jumps over the lazy dog." (Not "jumped" -- you need the s!) I think the shortest known one is "Jackdaws love my big sphinx of quartz." (A jackdaw is some kind of bird.) So: What can be done in Lojban? I would say that dot and comma don't count as alphabetic. As for the apostrophe, I would think it's hard to write a sentence of significant length without one anyway. (Yes, someone will post a counterexample immediately.) I would think it's cheating slightly to use a cmene, since those can contain any letters you happen to have left. Has this been done before? If not, let's do it now. By the way, I think real palindromes are impossible in Lojban sentences. Cheers, Hal