From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Sep 22 21:45:32 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:45:32 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EIfRE-00071o-5K for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:45:32 -0700 Received: from mxfep01.bredband.com ([195.54.107.70]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EIfRA-00071a-99 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Thu, 22 Sep 2005 21:45:32 -0700 Received: from [85.226.149.87] ([85.226.149.87] [85.226.149.87]) by mxfep01.bredband.com with ESMTP id <20050923044526.KEUT21493.mxfep01.bredband.com@[85.226.149.87]> for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 06:45:26 +0200 Message-ID: <4333866A.1080803@handgranat.org> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 06:36:58 +0200 From: Sunnan User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.2 (X11/20050404) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: gendered and gender-neutral language References: <43336307.8020301@handgranat.org> In-Reply-To: Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2272 X-Approved-By: sunnan@handgranat.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: sunnan@handgranat.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Christopher Zervic wrote: > On 9/22/05, *Sunnan* > wrote: > > I was kind of > dissappointed upon finding mamta and patfu in the language, > > > To me this just sounds ridiculous. I'm not surprised. (However, I do prefer having mamta and patfu to the esperanto-style patro and patrino, which is imho horrible.) > > However, if we are talking about a full-on test of the Sapir-Whorf > hypothesis using Lojban as a test language, then sure why not have one > word for parent and calculate how it impacts the mini-jbopre. My main usage of lojban is in fiction/art. I also plan to use it for mathematics if the mekso system turns out to be sufficient. > as well as > finding several slightly sexist or at least gender-specific > examples in > _Lojban for beginners_. > > > Such as what? There are plenty. The section named _gismu as sumti_ has, for example, several examples where a human is defined/described by her gender alone. > > For example, I look forward to writing non-sexist, sexually explicit > literature, something which is possible using lojban but few other > languages. > > > Sounds like a challenge. Are you "disappointed" that there are two > separate Lojban words for genitals? pinji, plibu, cinse and other words are available. The gender-specific words are useful for medical professionals. I'm aware that this strive for extreme "political correctness" might seem off-putting to some. If so, look at it as an art experiment. There's no offense intended.