From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Sep 23 08:06:38 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:06:39 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EIp8I-0001D7-LP for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:06:38 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.207]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EIp8G-0001Cq-Dy for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:06:38 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id n29so41213nzf for ; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:06:34 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=ZfdluI9jcG7nHtdgHTkJ0luYiVvfHDLt0QqOEfGXKd+S2cJmrBUPgK+vSvx7nPQwcjvmqgLOUwW0esWyHlF512LJDxJvI0/FHBYY0N5oeINyBBs5fUnjdCdgVWTrBVzIC7QqQ9FrEK+BSurvos6hfO9lb8ealZ/k2LG5GmeVB74= Received: by 10.36.60.6 with SMTP id i6mr2664684nza; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.36.222.64 with HTTP; Fri, 23 Sep 2005 08:06:34 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <2d3df92a050923080645081cb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 23 Sep 2005 17:06:34 +0200 From: HeliodoR To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: gendered and gender-neutral language In-Reply-To: <4333866A.1080803@handgranat.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6020_4458543.1127487994396" References: <43336307.8020301@handgranat.org> <4333866A.1080803@handgranat.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 2277 X-Approved-By: exitconsole@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: exitconsole@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_6020_4458543.1127487994396 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline > > However, I do prefer having mamta and patfu to the esperanto-style > patro and patrino, which is imho horrible. > O_o They don't seem particularly irritating to me, but if You find them offending, then down with patrino. Such a little change could be made to English, too: we could say everything with 'parent' instead of 'mother' and 'father', and the distinction between 'she' and 'he' to me seemed pointless since my birth. Though mamta is a valuable word; and not at all something like "the other parent". When I see mamta I consider something like "the one who gave birth", which is beautiful rather then sexist... For example, I look forward to writing non-sexist, sexually explicit > literature, something which is possible using lojban but few other > languages. > Um... I really don't know much about the issue, but is this really such an important and serious question? Is it in other countries? Maybe I don't really encounter it as we only have "(s)he" and "it", without any distinction between the two genders. And after all here in my country mysogynism is not a great problem, here REMNA live and not FEMALE and MALE ones (or just that's how I C it). Maybe that's because Hungarian people are part of the 'minority' of the world (which may sound silly) and know how it feels to be categorized as "other countries". mi'e xili,odor. ------=_Part_6020_4458543.1127487994396 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

However, I do prefer having mamta and patfu to the esperanto-style
pa= tro and patrino, which is imho horrible.

O_o They don't seem particularly irritating to me, but if Yo= u find them offending,
then down with patrino. Such a little change could be made to English,= too:
we could say everything with 'parent' instead of 'mother' and 'fa= ther', and the
distinction between 'she' and 'he' to me seemed pointless since m= y birth.
Though mamta is a valuable word; and not at all something like "t= he other
parent". When I see mamta I consider something like "the one= who gave birth",
which is beautiful rather then sexist...

 

For example, I look forward to writing non-sexist, sexually explicit
= literature, something which is possible using lojban but few other
langu= ages.

Um... I really don't know much about the issue, but is this really suc= h an important
and serious question? Is it in other countries? Maybe I don't really e= ncounter it as
we only have "(s)he" and "it", without any distinc= tion between the two genders.
And after all here in my country mysogynism is not a great proble= m, here REMNA
live and not FEMALE and MALE ones (or just that's how I C it). Ma= ybe that's because
Hungarian people are part of the 'minority' of the world (wh= ich may sound silly) and
know how it feels to be categorized as "other countries= ".

mi'e xili,odor.
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