From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Sep 24 10:39:28 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:39:28 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EJDzk-00014b-HU for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:39:28 -0700 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EJDzc-00014S-V7 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:39:28 -0700 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id r28so292037nza for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:39:19 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:from:to:subject:date:user-agent:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:message-id:sender; b=K0Qrok3RhEbqlRvw2axyw+mtIWDVLTbeXhAHafK6gubCCwn9qOk50yls1B+dUAegsIdOGWmfFum+FX/UaUUCvM7LQm7sD56Cw+jBJ6sL6/OZbg51LVW+CN1ItLIwZTYV/0Gva/pWw+XTLvwe/imo20WfBc9B9RJHP7y1gpYOLUU= Received: by 10.36.82.20 with SMTP id f20mr150649nzb; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:39:19 -0700 (PDT) Received: from ?192.168.1.100? ( [67.160.188.198]) by mx.gmail.com with ESMTP id 7sm86383nzo.2005.09.24.10.39.19; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:39:19 -0700 (PDT) From: Scott To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Printed Materials Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 10:39:16 -0700 User-Agent: KMail/1.7.2 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit Content-Disposition: inline Message-Id: <200509241039.17208.scottr@synthiotics.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2300 X-Approved-By: scottr@synthiotics.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: scottr@synthiotics.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners I've been thinking it would be nice to have a printed and bound version of the jbovlaste dictionary. However, the pdf file that I downloaded runs 167 pages in length. That's too big for me to easily print out, and having a place like Kinko's print and bind it is quite expensive. However, Cafe Press (http://www.cafepress.com/cp/info/sell/products/books) allows one to print-on-demand books for significantly less than Kinko's costs to print and bind books of equivalent size, with a whole array of page-size and binding options (although apparently they are always soft-cover). For example, a 7.5" x 9.25" perfect-bound copy of the jbovlaste dictionary would have a base price of $12.01 (not counting shipping costs). The nice thing about Cafe Press is that there are no upfront (or even hidden) charges. No out-of-pocket expenses to set something like this up. Since it's print-on-demand, there's no inventory to manage. Basically upload the book text and the cover art, set a list price (the base price plus whatever profit you want to make on a per-item basis), and it's good to go. The only money changing hands is between the buyer and Cafe Press (for the full price of the book) and between Cafe Press and the author (where they send the author the difference between the full price and the base price). *I* would set something like this up, but I certainly don't hold the copyright to the jbovlaste material. However, whoever DOES hold the copyright to the material might want to consider something like this. It's a very easy and inexpensive way to provide published material like the lojban dictionary (inexpensive for the buyer - free for the author) I mean, how many people on this list would be willing to pay $15.00 for a printed and bound lojban dictionary? If LLI set it up, that would provide a $3.00 per unit profit for LLI with no out-of-pocket expenses and a very affordable bound dictionary for everyone who wanted one. The material is already available - the jbovlaste pdf file is easily generated. All the hard work is done. Now it's just a matter of making it available in hardcopy. It's also possible to have Cafe Press print and bind books without making them available for general sale, so it's easy enough for me to just have them print up a copy for ONLY me and it would just cost me $12.01 (plus shipping). But I'm thinking it would be better to have a more "official" version that also makes a little money for the copyright holder. I don't know. Just a thought. mu'o mi'e la skat.