From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Sep 24 11:34:43 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 24 Sep 2005 11:34:43 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EJErD-0001xy-DA for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 11:34:43 -0700 Received: from nproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.182.192]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EJEr9-0001xr-KC for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 11:34:43 -0700 Received: by nproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id l37so207945nfc for ; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 11:34:38 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition; b=lsCHn8QciHHkib/nkDBYg7o4Iw4JCmrrAxAUIvwnfkxDwqVrEA5SkdzsEC3QTVPtpaAyB/nr2ObtT5SiAV0oK8ZLyYieprM4tWtKgs1T3/OcXqD20hjJy/4gHmCOZKFl5XDiZngd5SLQvZX3b73rmYh02nIVibObMwjxLBpHxXE= Received: by 10.48.80.4 with SMTP id d4mr141551nfb; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 11:34:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.48.142.3 with HTTP; Sat, 24 Sep 2005 11:34:37 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: <537d06d0050924113416cd1b2b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 24 Sep 2005 20:34:38 +0200 From: Philip Newton To: Lojban Beginners List Subject: [lojban-beginners] Asking for connectives, or "Do you have any brothers or sisters?" MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 2304 X-Approved-By: philip.newton@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: philip.newton@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners Would a suitable way of asking "Do you have any brothers or sisters?" be {pau do se bruna gi'i se mensi}? (That is, something along the lines of "please fill in the appropriate connective for the relations 'x is a brother to you' and 'y is a sister to you'".) I suppose the answers would be along the lines of {na gi'e} "I have no brothers, but I do have at least one sister"), {gi'e nai} "I have no sisters, but I do have at least one brother", {na gi'e nai} "No, neither brothers nor sisters", or {gi'e} "Yes, I have both at least one brother and at least one sister". What about the forethought equivalent, presumably {pau do ge'i se bruna gi se mensi} -- how would one answer that? "Both" seems straightforwardly {ge} but what about "Brothers but no sisters", which would require {ge ... ginai ...} in a sentence, i.e. doesn't have one word that can substitute for the {ge'i} as an answer. Would the answerer have to be more explicit and say {mi ge se bruna ginai se mensi} or could they be more terse and say something like {ge ginai}? mu'o mi'e .filip. -- Philip Newton