From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Sep 25 15:18:38 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 25 Sep 2005 15:18:38 -0700 (PDT) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EJepS-0000gQ-3v for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 15:18:38 -0700 Received: from qproxy.gmail.com ([72.14.204.192]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52) id 1EJepM-0000gJ-U5 for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 15:18:37 -0700 Received: by qproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id p32so537530qba for ; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 15:18:31 -0700 (PDT) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:reply-to:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=t6M7JOJJ3hvZ4mj7M/fYJbRDyiWqkdLIh/NI8rpqq7yc2L07PIAbYeTaaXVttNyGD+T5AU3e2XNBN6JCETDoOgVwP9i1wO9vk7eKAHlqDiSQuk2I96+0+TA4pLZTO+UsysaEAXMUrgpt6NBlRGiejeuJRuN2g9K470f1q+hYQwg= Received: by 10.65.112.20 with SMTP id p20mr491926qbm; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 15:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Received: by 10.65.107.16 with HTTP; Sun, 25 Sep 2005 15:18:31 -0700 (PDT) Message-ID: Date: Sun, 25 Sep 2005 18:18:31 -0400 From: Christopher Zervic To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: gendered and gender-neutral language In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_6065_3126845.1127686711325" References: <43336307.8020301@handgranat.org> <4333866A.1080803@handgranat.org> <2d3df92a050923080645081cb@mail.gmail.com> <433552C1.4050003@handgranat.org> X-Spam-Score: -1.7 (-) X-archive-position: 2328 X-Approved-By: zervic@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-original-sender: zervic@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_6065_3126845.1127686711325 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 9/24/05, Matt Arnold wrote: > > On 9/24/05, Arnt Richard Johansen wrote: > > > > On Sat, 24 Sep 2005, Sunnan wrote: > > > > > Just for curiosity, what word would you use for a female parent who > > didn't > > > give birth? > > > > mamta. > > > > mamta mam mother 'mom' x1 is a > > mother of x2; x1 bears/mothers/acts maternally toward x2; [not > > necessarily > > biological] > > > What does it mean to act maternally? Unless we know this, we don't know > what behavior the word specifies. > Is it to mean "parent whose behavior is, according to the speaker's > opinions, stereotypical of women"? > Are the speaker and listener supposed to have an agreed-upon stereotype of > women to understand this word? > Has common sense completely checked out? Believe it or not in some cultures the mother and father assume different roles. Mothers typically are more domestic because they have less physical strength and hence are less equipped for taxing physical tasks. Note too that fathers can't breast feed. This division is universal enough to overcome political correctness. Who honestly is offended? -- Christopher Zervic, Esq. ------=_Part_6065_3126845.1127686711325 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 9/24/05, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:
On 9/24/05, Arnt Richard Jo= hansen <arj@nvg.org> wrote:
On Sat, 24 Sep 2005, Sunnan wrote:

> Just for curiosity, what wor= d would you use for a female parent who didn't
> give birth?

m= amta.

mamta mam          mother =             &nb= sp; 'mom'           &nbs= p;    x1 is a
mother of x2; x1 bears/mothers/acts maternally toward x2; [not nece= ssarily
biological]

 
What does it mean to act maternally? Unless we know this= , we don't know what behavior the word specifies.
Is it to mean "parent whose behavior is, according to the speak= er's opinions, stereotypical of women"?
Are the speaker and listener supposed to have an agreed-upon stereotype of = women to understand this word?

Has common sense completely checked out?

Believe it or not in some cultures the mother and father assume different roles. Mothers typically are more domestic because they have less physical strength and hence are less equipped for taxing physical tasks. Note too that fathers can't breast feed. This division is universal enough to overcome political correctness. Who honestly is offended?
--
Christopher Zervic, Esq. ------=_Part_6065_3126845.1127686711325--