From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sun Oct 16 08:12:27 2005
Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:12:27 -0700 (PDT)
Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.52)
	id 1ERABW-0004uI-Vk
	for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:12:27 -0700
Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.195])
	by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.52)
	id 1ERABT-0004u6-2C
	for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:12:26 -0700
Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so404298wri
        for <lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org>; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:12:21 -0700 (PDT)
DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws;
        s=beta; d=gmail.com;
        h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references;
        b=CMxzqeUzkhY4STcXeLvJy1GsvcnwHSwh64zVx95h+yt/eb7UuZO7BhSe+sR/qwhYHM/KVI51BoaKcN4X3RbKOCx5KkmJiifCTiGuOhuqY4ltVxAW8NS236MFVGEETwI0AQ+eWOqBTTVWxqogS7zMRW9jd5QYDUektrRS1a40rcg=
Received: by 10.54.66.12 with SMTP id o12mr1489247wra;
        Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:12:21 -0700 (PDT)
Received: by 10.54.66.3 with HTTP; Sun, 16 Oct 2005 08:12:21 -0700 (PDT)
Message-ID: <925d17560510160812r36936172tb66e9f8162308cd8@mail.gmail.com>
Date: Sun, 16 Oct 2005 12:12:21 -0300
From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= <jjllambias@gmail.com>
To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Besides
In-Reply-To: <ee78c6ed0510160254g6ab7468dv5d80b3d969abfb2a@mail.gmail.com>
MIME-Version: 1.0
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1
Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit
X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis
Content-Disposition: inline
References: <ee78c6ed0510160254g6ab7468dv5d80b3d969abfb2a@mail.gmail.com>
X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--)
X-archive-position: 2389
X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com
X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0
Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org
Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@chain.digitalkingdom.org
X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com
Precedence: bulk
Reply-to: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org
X-list: lojban-beginners

On 10/16/05, Naomi K <alien.juxtaposition@gmail.com> wrote:
> What is the equivalent of the word 'besides' in lojban? For example: "I
> think that she should be expelled. She gets poor marks for her tests, and
> besides, she bullies the younger children in the playground."

"ji'a" (additionally) or "ji'a ra'unai" (additionally-incidentally).

>I thought it
> might be 'ki'u', but I think that 'besides' conveys a different meaning: the
> impression that the statement following it is of lesser importance than the
> one preceeding it. Is it a cmavo in BAI somewhere?

Maybe you meant "ku'i"? "ki'u" (because) and "ku'i" (but) is one
of the most frequently confused pairs.

mu'o mi'e xorxes