From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Oct 31 06:05:29 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:05:32 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EWaHs-0000pG-9I for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:05:24 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.193]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EWaHQ-0000oW-Cs for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:05:19 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 71so445624wri for ; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:04:55 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=dtv0Li6B9iAXPOo7Af/hwxYLmSChrj1zdrp27K7oDwKWFsLs188t6uSkOev62FkMptcYuwqrEN93M1C2TZenZ2zSBBIWOmG4nmdCVqADq+jAfrlr5nL7MrDFjRVLt0Sia+FrXmv0NEl5bJW8Mqa+oxUvhNhShBPrCu35Xk8Dd2c= Received: by 10.54.76.5 with SMTP id y5mr793019wra; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:04:55 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.66.3 with HTTP; Mon, 31 Oct 2005 06:04:55 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560510310604s25a5163fne27e96d06086e6d6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 31 Oct 2005 11:04:55 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Translation In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 2431 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 10/31/05, Naomi K wrote: > Question 1 - Being the eternal Futurama fan I am, I randomly felt like > translating Bender's statement in "Fry and the Slurm Factory" - "Everyone > was doing it, I just wanted to be popular" > > does {loi ro prenu cu zukte ta .iki'abo mi djica lenu mi selju'i} suffice? > > The mass of every person was acting that thing, causing motive the event I > want to be the center of attention I don't know what "it" was but {loi} says they were all doing it together, for example if they were all building a house together. If it's something each of them was doing on their own, say wearing a red shirt, then you want {ro prenu}, which is distributive. {lo ro prenu} would be the neutral form which works for both cases. {ta} is meant to refer to something you can point to, an object, a place, even an event but one that is going on there by the audience. {ti} for something close to the speaker, and {tu} for something away both from the speaker and the audience. {loi ro prenu cu zukte ta} says something like "everyone is/was doing what you're doing" or "everyone is/was doing what's going on near you". If "it" referes to something they were discussing rather than something actually present that can be pointed to, then you probably want {la'e di'u}. {i ki'u bo} means "because", it introduces a reason for the previous sentence. My wanting to be popular is the reason that everyone was doing it, or is it a reason for me doing it along with everyone else? > I don't know about {selju'i} because the x2 place of jundi is supposed to be > an object or affair, and I don't think that 'yourself' counts as it? I don't have a problem with people being selju'i, but I'm not sure it's quite the same as being popular. {misno} could work for one sense of "popular", but probably not the one wanted here either. Maybe something like {jikselsi'a} "socially-esteemed"? > Question 2 - Is there some sort of quick tutorial available on how to use > the Lojban wiki? I found myself going around in circles XP The problem is that the current wiki is the result of a merge of the old wiki and the old lojban.org site, neither of which was itself particularly easy to navigate. Think of it as a kind of adventure game where you have to work your way through a maze to find all the goodies. :) mu'o mi'e xorxes