From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Nov 03 09:31:54 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:49:34 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EXiwM-0003AT-IR for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:31:54 -0800 Received: from sp0246.sc1.cp.net ([64.97.136.246] helo=n068.sc1.cp.net) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EXiwL-0003AM-AB for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 03 Nov 2005 09:31:54 -0800 Received: from [192.168.10.10] (82.13.33.167) by n068.sc1.cp.net (7.0.038) (authenticated as josephine.shewellbrockway) id 435B0E490029345D for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 3 Nov 2005 17:31:47 +0000 Message-ID: <436A4981.8030305@virgin.net> Date: Thu, 03 Nov 2005 17:31:45 +0000 From: Jessica User-Agent: Mozilla Thunderbird 1.0.7 (X11/20051011) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: cmavo instead of gismu References: <20051103165737.61738.qmail@web51507.mail.yahoo.com> In-Reply-To: <20051103165737.61738.qmail@web51507.mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -0.3 (/) X-archive-position: 2470 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: j.shewellbrockway@virgin.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners la .opilaumas. cu cusku di'e > is it allowed to replace gismu with cmavo in an > ordinary sentence? For example: > {mi klama le zdani} = {mi kla le zda} > And if it is not allowed, why? The forms you are talking about are not cmavo but rafsi. They are combining forms of gismu, which are used in the formation of lujvo, and nowhere else. The reason is that they could be mistaken for cmavo; for example, {ni'u} (rafsi of {ninmu}) is also a cmavo indicating a negative number, clearly nothing to do with the concept 'female human being'. fe'omi'e JEsikas.