From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Nov 04 08:14:00 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:14:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EY4CW-0007Ya-9M for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:14:00 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.205]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EY4CQ-0007YP-EA for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:14:00 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i24so454563wra for ; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:13:52 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=eM39ieqsUoV6dmEb/8sZ9UuYOdvGo10Ox1gRQunX94GEVl+R1IrVU0/3s9SpW/z8psNFgz7n7IJmNcHRuK/RlydHVlvqfsJTAHUxcD+d3VCLNdyBSVpRraw2YqSy3lBExh2qtaNGq2+kbB0oBv7Y4RcOPUHsmbxinWdDVDrHnhU= Received: by 10.54.16.57 with SMTP id 57mr1761630wrp; Fri, 04 Nov 2005 08:13:52 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.66.3 with HTTP; Fri, 4 Nov 2005 08:13:52 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560511040813p66914carf585753635a9d062@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 4 Nov 2005 13:13:52 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How 'natural' a language? In-Reply-To: <2d3df92a0511040740g4bf3eeeal@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <26506d300511030415j48a05aefm@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560511031030w22ff8b06j198180d33e09637a@mail.gmail.com> <2d3df92a0511040740g4bf3eeeal@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 2480 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 11/4/05, HeliodoR wrote: > > > You can call them ... tcica, or ... > > I'm not sure: > x1 (EVENT/EXPERIENCE) > misleads/deceives/dupes/fools/cheats/tricks x2 into x3 > A decieving person must be a {ticpre} or something similar. Then you should object to {juxre} too. I tend to think that if an event can be/do something, then a person/object can too. Otherwise it is not clear why some words can apply to both events and persons while others can't. For example, compare {tcica} with {sidju}. x1 of sidju is used both for people and for events. What makes {tcica} so different? mu'o mi'e xorxes