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On 11/4/05, Thomas White <winterwhite9257@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> .i xu zo balmle frica zo mleba'i
>
> .ijanai go'i jetnu ku ma terfrica ri ra

That should be {i ganai di'u jetnu gi ma terfrica}
"If that is true, then what's the difference?" or
{i ganai go'i gi ma terfrica}, "If so, then what's the
difference?".

{di'u} is a sumti that refers to a preceding sentence
so it can go in the x1 of {jetnu}, {go'i} repeats the preceding
sentence, it is itself a selbri.

> (is-it-true the-word "balmle" is different from "mleba'i"?)

Hard to say. They could be different, but the semantics of lujvo
don't normally follow in an automatic way from their components.

In general, the order of the components does matter. For
example {gerzda}, "dog-house" is almost certainly different
from {zdage'u}, "house-dog".

> .i ki'e mutce (ki'etce?)

{ki'e mutce} means "Thank you O Extreme One"
{ki'etce} is "cushion-much" kicne zei mutce :)

mu'o mi'e xorxes