From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Nov 05 05:46:36 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 05 Nov 2005 05:46:37 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EYONP-0006yw-Um for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 05:46:36 -0800 Received: from dionysos.oderland.com ([213.115.211.26]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.54) id 1EYONN-0006yl-UB for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 05:46:35 -0800 Received: from handgran by dionysos.oderland.com with local (Exim 4.52) id 1EYONE-0001eW-Pi for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 14:46:24 +0100 Received: from 85.226.151.28 ([85.226.151.28]) (SquirrelMail authenticated user sunnan@handgranat.org) by handgranat.org with HTTP; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 14:46:24 +0100 (CET) Message-ID: <3105.85.226.151.28.1131198384.squirrel@handgranat.org> In-Reply-To: <2d3df92a0511050525i6a36cf1ao@mail.gmail.com> References: <26506d300511030415j48a05aefm@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560511031030w22ff8b06j198180d33e09637a@mail.gmail.com> <3906.85.226.150.111.1131083581.squirrel@handgranat.org> <925d17560511040537r4db1c610gb727505fd8498ac2@mail.gmail.com> <2858.85.226.151.28.1131196154.squirrel@handgranat.org> <2d3df92a0511050525i6a36cf1ao@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 14:46:24 +0100 (CET) Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: How 'natural' a language? From: sunnan@handgranat.org To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org User-Agent: SquirrelMail/1.4.4 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Importance: Normal X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dionysos.oderland.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lojban.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [32082 32082] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - handgranat.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: -1.6 (-) X-archive-position: 2493 X-Approved-By: sunnan@handgranat.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: sunnan@handgranat.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners >> >> But I want a gismu to exist that's intentionally "rude" > > A word (in probably any language) is considered rude when it is a taboo - > if the speakers of that particular language are conditioned NOT to say it. >>From kindergarten to highschool or whatever exists in Your culture You're > told You mustn't ever use those malvla. In contradiction with all that > when > You're feeling unbearable anger You do utter those forbidden words. That's > why they have effect - they calm You down in a relatively short time. > Assume there's a gismu, say, {babca}; do You find it offensive? No, > because > it is not something like "F*ck a donkey etc.", it is artificial and > meaningless. > Offensive or rude words are always metaphors. > IMHO there's no use of creating such a word. > mi'e xiLI,odor. > To clarify, I meant I wanted mabla to be that word. To connect sexuality with offensiveness is also artificial.