From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Nov 05 06:29:03 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:29:03 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EYP2V-0007aA-2F for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:29:03 -0800 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.199]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EYP2R-0007Zr-Bs for lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:29:02 -0800 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id v1so63385nzb for ; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:28:58 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:mime-version:content-type; b=jsCMZtHC41ShtQzYNpoGEGrA4zRTl+1iWe0E/srAxYjjeqPY+zvGapLClwXc/+JB2k73a95CX7PzvR839qGquAyPvo7cGZ+B8FB2CTwDOlFnIpt+a+m2afNr71UBSkKkqRe1wiasyjwYH4SDBALQCEUMH39/jYQo3E+PgV+0ZNg= Received: by 10.65.20.5 with SMTP id x5mr3381622qbi; Sat, 05 Nov 2005 06:28:58 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.72.15 with HTTP; Sat, 5 Nov 2005 06:28:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2d3df92a0511050628x3404d007k3404853f23257936@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 5 Nov 2005 15:28:58 +0100 From: HeliodoR To: lojban-beginners@chain.digitalkingdom.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Black holes; are not they MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_34494_2260131.1131200938007" X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 2495 X-Approved-By: exitconsole@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: exitconsole@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_34494_2260131.1131200938007 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On this tiki page: http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBlack+Hole xod claims "Well, for starters, it's not black...", that's why they're no xekri kevna. IMO something is xekri if it returns relatively few radiation to its environment, so black holes are super-black entities. No one can say they emit much light. They'r= e the xekri'est things in the Universe AFAIK. I see only reason why a black hole isn't black. Because it is not perfectly dark. The "luckiest" particles manage to escape from the event horizon due to som= e quantum-mechanical phenomenon I don't know well (at all). But then we shouldn't call anything black in the world. Am I thinking wrong? Anyway, avoiding the xekri-problem another extraordinary feature of black holes can be used: they can put an end to matter. {marji daspo}: material-destroyer can be a name of nothing else but black holes. Is that tanru satisfying? (ju'onai) mi'e xiLI,odor. ------=_Part_34494_2260131.1131200938007 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
On this tiki page:
http://www.lojban.org/tiki/tiki-index.php?page=3DBlack+Hole
xod claims "Well, for starters, it's not black...", that's w= hy they're no xekri kevna.
IMO something is xekri if it returns relatively few radiation to = its environment, so black
holes are super-black entities. No one can say they emit muc= h light. They're the
xekri'est things in the Universe AFAIK.
I see only reason why a black hole isn't black. Because it i= s not perfectly dark.
The "luckiest" particles manage to escape from the even= t horizon due to some
quantum-mechanical phenomenon I don't know well (at all).
But then we shouldn't call anything black in the world.
Am I thinking wrong?
 
Anyway, avoiding the xekri-problem another extraordinary feature of bl= ack holes can
be used: they can put an end to matter.
{marji daspo}: material-destroyer can be a name of nothing else but bl= ack holes.
Is that tanru satisfying? (ju'onai)
 
mi'e xiLI,odor.
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