From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Nov 11 06:18:24 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:18:26 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EaZjT-00017F-Fa for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:18:23 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.195]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EaZjN-000175-Vo for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:18:22 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so587921wri for ; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:18:17 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=f0z0LVJJlLaG+AAtJz9Yn9qd9gHn4cenNYfZN1FmBZdnoo+mgx/2I0jGncMk3J/JsoOVCjZYED4uTogq+ZDN35EZrwxaxRqkwt/I9WYyrUWpscjdNBBWDH/i7XdU6fhEqD7icDM+erNnAV9ukCqnzmLkaO42qCvLOK1v+/6ZBG0= Received: by 10.54.121.10 with SMTP id t10mr1205002wrc; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:18:17 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.66.3 with HTTP; Fri, 11 Nov 2005 06:18:17 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560511110618u3c5e0a68k4f56a73b787799eb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 11 Nov 2005 11:18:17 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Australian anthem In-Reply-To: <2d3df92a0511110523y73076e1dhe47f7d629d114158@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <2d3df92a0511110523y73076e1dhe47f7d629d114158@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2536 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners > > .i loi ro sralo poi ma'a ku'o ko gleki > > {poi} begins a nested bridi which would need a selbri. > {po'u} is what You mean. Also, notice that {ko} is in the x2 of {gleki}, and {loi ro sralo po'u ma'a} in the x1. We want a vocative for "Australians all". I might say: doi sralo .e'e mi'o gleki {mi'o}, rather than {ma'a}, because you are addressing all Australians, so {mi'o} already covers everyone concerned. I don't think the sense is "Australians all, let us and others rejoice". {.e'e} works as an exhortative at least in my usage. > > .i se ki'u bo le go'i cu citno gi'e zifre Here we want {.i ki'u bo}, "because", not {.i se ki'u bo}, "therefore". Or we could make use of the x2 of {gleki}: doi sralo .e'e mi'o gleki lo nu citno je zifre mu'o mi'e xorxes