From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Nov 14 04:22:45 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:22:46 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EbdMD-0004CZ-6y for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:22:45 -0800 Received: from mailgw5.gedas.de ([139.1.44.13]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EbdM9-0004CR-CH for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 04:22:44 -0800 Received: from mailgw5.gedas.de (localhost [127.0.0.1]) by mailgw5.gedas.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAECMd9m014255 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:22:39 +0100 Received: from GDDEBESAPP004.de.gedas-grp (gddebesapp004.de.gedas-grp [10.242.64.42]) by mailgw5.gedas.de (8.12.10/8.12.10) with ESMTP id jAECMd7G014249 for ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:22:39 +0100 Received: from blnsem08.de.gedas-grp ([139.1.84.54]) by GDDEBESAPP004.de.gedas-grp with Microsoft SMTPSVC(6.0.3790.1830); Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:22:39 +0100 Received: by blnsem08.de.gedas-grp with Internet Mail Service (5.5.2653.19) id ; Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:22:39 +0100 Message-ID: From: "Newton, Philip" To: "'lojban-beginners@lojban.org'" Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Schwa. Date: Mon, 14 Nov 2005 13:22:37 +0100 MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain X-OriginalArrivalTime: 14 Nov 2005 12:22:39.0940 (UTC) FILETIME=[1AE08040:01C5E916] X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2556 X-Approved-By: Philip.Newton@gedas-onsite.de X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: Philip.Newton@gedas-onsite.de Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners la opilaumas cu cusku di'e > I have a very simple question. Does English have sound equivalent to > Lojban's "y" (schwa)? Yes, and it's fairly common. English tends to reduce vowels in unstressed syllables, so nearly any vowel can turn into a shwa. > If it is the case, could you pleas give me several examples (words) > containing this sound. I thing the first "A" in "America" should be > Lojban's schwa. Am I right? I'd say that the first "A" in "America" is a shwa, yes. I also have a shwa for "e" in "kitten" (when I don't pronounce the second syllable with a syllabic "n") or the "u" in "circus". Also the first "e" in "redeem" (though it sometimes also sounds more like an "i" sound in "pin" -- I've heard this sound called "shwi"). "a" in "about". Second "i" in "ubiquitous". And so on. mu'o mi'e .filip.