From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Nov 15 07:27:47 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:27:48 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1Ec2ip-00059w-KY for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:27:47 -0800 Received: from xproxy.gmail.com ([66.249.82.196]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Ec2in-00059l-2z for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:27:47 -0800 Received: by xproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id h29so844130wxd for ; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:27:44 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=CIOpApAKsDGaYWXDyOylYOKMRHSGcXZbXfDfwCIADgJZC/HIeAHflQS2DlJY7DxG3rkUDZx/LS97UTTEFeefToWTIsI72w+x+15pv6TdAUyOJR+E9ebYI+IEE+azOOg1kGuKqF5mdL8jwraGW2gB3R3qjsqF62mYVjS8DjOqGlg= Received: by 10.70.78.9 with SMTP id a9mr2879559wxb; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:27:44 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.70.117.2 with HTTP; Tue, 15 Nov 2005 07:27:43 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <12d58c160511150727x78c5d29n70b2bd311311e316@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 15 Nov 2005 10:27:43 -0500 From: Adam COOPER To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: {r} In-Reply-To: <20051115114650.61468.qmail@web51511.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_14371_18651476.1132068463937" References: <20051115114650.61468.qmail@web51511.mail.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-archive-position: 2566 X-Approved-By: adamgarrigus@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: adamgarrigus@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_14371_18651476.1132068463937 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 11/15/05, Opi Lauma wrote: > > coi rodo > How would you explain to English speaking person pronunciation of Lojban'= s > sound {r} (some examples?)? The problem is that English "r" is rather > specific and essentially differs from Russian, Spanish, German and French > "r". I know that in Lojban pronunciation of {r} is quit arbitrary but I a= m > not sure that it is enough arbitrary to allow English pronunciation. What= do > you think? > mu'o mi'e opilaumas > > CLL 3.2 & 3.10 say the General American & Received Pronunciation 'r' sounds are acceptable in Lojban. ------=_Part_14371_18651476.1132068463937 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 11/15/05, Opi Lauma <opi_lauma@yahoo.com> wrote:
coi rodo
How wo= uld you explain to English speaking person pronunciation of Lojban's sound {r} (some examples?)? The problem is that English "r&qu= ot; is rather specific and essentially differs from Russian, Spanish, German and French "r". I know that in Lojban pronunciation of {r} is qui= t arbitrary but I am not sure that it is enough arbitrary to allow English pronunciation. What do you think?
mu'o mi'e opilaumas


CLL 3.2 & 3.10 say the General American & Received Pronunciation 'r= ' sounds are acceptable in Lojban.


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