From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Nov 17 00:22:35 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:26:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1Ecf2R-0006aq-8C for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:22:35 -0800 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.199]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Ecf2N-0006aj-Vc for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:22:35 -0800 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i11so1871895nzh for ; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:22:30 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=UnlOmFuXWJjaSy3UGXjQHBe0ugVz7K3F1gxeQJlcq+nBXt2UQntqxzKDPt5tLhJ4ZfcbdaH4WyorDcv2Qkjrg5RdN3POy2FgacaNOrla+gx3oEVTma5ixMlYUKWaN1Y6udiDV4BN/Uh/PegMuez/DwWfGI2WmrGU7x1v0Pa9pHE= Received: by 10.65.188.4 with SMTP id q4mr1151969qbp; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:22:30 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.64.204.2 with HTTP; Thu, 17 Nov 2005 00:22:30 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <26506d300511170022v737e2133t@mail.gmail.com> Date: Thu, 17 Nov 2005 09:22:30 +0100 From: Thomas White To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: A ranking system for Lojban speaking proficiency? In-Reply-To: <20051116224458.GG23316@chain.digitalkingdom.org> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <1880.85.226.150.186.1132179306.squirrel@handgranat.org> <20051116224458.GG23316@chain.digitalkingdom.org> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2585 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: winterwhite9257@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners I understand and appreciate the intent for 'fun', but personally dislike competition (never have been competitive - unless it's who can be the _least_ conspicuous :) so I also agree that a 'ranking' system may not be the best as it could potentially deterr a newcomer. That being said, I do see the personal value/importance of knowing where one stands vis-a-vis the language. Most languages have a 'beginner-intermediate-advanced' level system... could there be something equivalent for lojban? I suppose one would elect to study from the varying levels depending on one's own comfort. (For instance, when I'm reading a book on a new programming language, if I struggle through a new chapter, I reluctantly go back a chapter or two.) If I were to have a similar resource for lojban, i.e. LFB, Intermediate Lojban, and maybe the CLGrammar, I could relate my personal level of skill by which text I were working on at that moment. As it is, I have been juggling both the LFB and the Complete Grammar - when the latter gets too difficult, I return the the LFB. *pipe dream/hint/idea for project* It would be nice to have something 'advanced' (containing a similar level of detail as the CLG) but written in a similar structure as the LFB, in the sense that it emphasises the _utility_ of each bit, as opposed to the logical reasons for their being - when it's best/most practical to use as opposed to why was invented. *end of pipe dream* Quick side question: I've been struggling to memorize the gismu/cmavo and have no flash-card system. I also suffer from 'embarras du choix' - too much choice as to which gismu to memorize first/most. Any suggestions as to best methods? Are there any resources similar to the Swadesh word list located here?_: http://www.rosettaproject.org/live/search/contribute/swadesh/view?ethnocode=XLOJ Much thanks, mu'o mi'e tomys. On 16/11/05, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > This is not specifically directet at snan; just using that as a > launching point. > > On Wed, Nov 16, 2005 at 11:15:06PM +0100, sunnan@handgranat.org wrote: > > About the idea of rating lojban skill in general: .i'enaisai Count > > me out. It scares me and I find it tasteless and elitistic. This > > might be a knee-jerk reaction from my behalf, but I just don't > > like this idea. > > Wow. Y'all are taking this *way* to seriously. The intent is a fun > little game to goad people into talking verbally in Lojban more > often. > > -Robin > > -- > http://www.digitalkingdom.org/~rlpowell/ *** http://www.lojban.org/ > Reason #237 To Learn Lojban: "Homonyms: Their Grate!" > Proud Supporter of the Singularity Institute - http://singinst.org/ > > > >