From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Nov 18 22:03:47 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:05:22 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EdLpD-0007z0-Er for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:03:47 -0800 Received: from mx3.mail.ru ([194.67.23.149]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EdLpB-0007yt-9D for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 18 Nov 2005 22:03:47 -0800 Received: from [212.17.3.19] (port=62944 helo=yanis.vpn.plhs) by mx3.mail.ru with esmtp id 1EdLp9-0004WD-00 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 19 Nov 2005 09:03:43 +0300 Date: Sat, 19 Nov 2005 12:03:42 +0600 From: Yanis Batura X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <1003614874.20051119120342@mail.ru> To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Up-to-date definition of Lojban MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----------731BE169683E984" X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 2611 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ybatura@mail.ru Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------------731BE169683E984 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit While preparing the third and fourth modules for Parallel, I found out (thanks to xorxes!) that the following sources now and then contradict each other: 1) Lojban For Beginners (LFB) 2) The Complete Lojban Language (CLL) 3) Definitions from cmavo.txt and gismu.txt 4) Definitions from BPFK sections. I would like to know, what priority do these have, what overrides what, and are there other items that also have legal effect on the language? I think that this information is crucial for the beginners. Why is it not published on the very first pages of Lojban tiki? Otherwise, Lojban beginners may begin with LFB (as I have) and then suddenly realize that many things taught there are out-of-date or moot. For example, the very beginning of the LBF, describing Lojban naming system ({la} ) doesn't say a word about prohibited consonant clusters (including double consonants and unvoiced+voiced consonants like k+v). Yanis Batura ------------731BE169683E984 Content-Type: text/html; charset=us-ascii Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit

While preparing the third and fourth modules for Parallel, I found out (thanks to xorxes!) that the following sources now and then contradict each other:

1) Lojban For Beginners (LFB)

2) The Complete Lojban Language (CLL)

3) Definitions from cmavo.txt and gismu.txt

4) Definitions from BPFK sections.

I would like to know, what priority do these have, what overrides what, and are there other items that also have legal effect on the language?

I think that this information is crucial for the beginners. Why is it not published on the very first pages of Lojban tiki?

Otherwise, Lojban beginners may begin with LFB (as I have) and then suddenly realize that many things taught there are out-of-date or moot.

For example, the very beginning of the LBF, describing Lojban naming system ({la} <names>) doesn't say a word about prohibited consonant clusters (including double consonants and unvoiced+voiced consonants like k+v).

Yanis Batura

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