From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Nov 26 12:38:18 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:38:19 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1Eg6oM-0007aL-PM for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:38:18 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.193]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.54) id 1Eg6oK-0007aE-N3 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:38:18 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i24so1483633wra for ; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:38:15 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=JgraoeCSQGq7Vc+WAYk1Gi0D3WzC3ankIW6oeMAtlKXpFAKNRk74ui3U6LGZfequKFgZ7bj9ZcA01tr4lJTJluiOnRDqNA53H2rg5DLstyl1/ygD2UJwwgyr7gdvyrQDVlq3jB7HIdhwHetccqoOKkW4DN3u7WSpW8apXVpm2TQ= Received: by 10.54.86.11 with SMTP id j11mr7010736wrb; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:38:15 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.126.5 with HTTP; Sat, 26 Nov 2005 12:38:14 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560511261238kde44d12ucea20cda7caedfdc@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 26 Nov 2005 17:38:14 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: lujvo and place structure questions In-Reply-To: MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2697 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 11/26/05, omicron@softhome.net wrote: > Sorry, I meant selzutkbinxkulnu and sezu'ebi'okulnu. {sezu'ebi'okulnu} is the same as {se zu'e bi'o kulnu}, because there is no consonant cluster to make a lujvo, and it is not grammatical. {selzu'ebi'okulnu} is a lujvo from se-zukte-binxo-kulnu. {selzuktybinxykulnu} is another version of the same lujvo. I don't know if that's the best choice for "action to change the culture". The last component of the lujvo is the basic one, so {selzu'ebi'okulnu} would be a type of culture, not a type of action. Also, {binxo} means "x1 becomes x2". I think you want {stika}: "x1 changes x2 in property x3". So perhaps you can start from {klustika}: "x1 modifies property x2 of the culture of x3"/"x1 is an activist with respect to aspect x2 of the culture of x3". "Activism" in the sense of the ideology that activists hold might be {klutiksi'o}, in the sense of the actions of activists, {nu klustika}. mu'o mi'e xorxes