From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Thu Dec 01 07:33:13 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:33:13 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1EhqQq-0001NM-QO for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:33:12 -0800 Received: from miranda.org ([65.124.18.202]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.54) id 1EhqQo-0001NE-Mr for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Thu, 01 Dec 2005 07:33:12 -0800 Received: (qmail 6081 invoked by uid 534); 1 Dec 2005 08:33:08 -0700 From: jkominek@miranda.org Date: Thu, 1 Dec 2005 08:33:08 -0700 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: questions about questions Message-ID: <20051201153308.GG2289@miranda.org> References: <26506d300511280238g762086b4o@mail.gmail.com> <2d3df92a0511280645i24310fd2ga93e5b9be94cc067@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560511281547y25fe8c93hcc71e1220ad4c82f@mail.gmail.com> <26506d300511290026x3e37568cm@mail.gmail.com> <2d3df92a0511290946w6c3c4caaqfad9f1773be4b98b@mail.gmail.com> <20051129175651.GD2289@miranda.org> <2d3df92a0512010619p2ca628aepe86f3be1eaff71e5@mail.gmail.com> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=us-ascii Content-Disposition: inline In-Reply-To: <2d3df92a0512010619p2ca628aepe86f3be1eaff71e5@mail.gmail.com> Accept-Language: jbo, en User-Agent: Mutt/1.5.9i X-Spam-Score: -2.0 (--) X-archive-position: 2720 X-Approved-By: jkominek@miranda.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jkominek@miranda.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Thu, Dec 01, 2005 at 03:19:17PM +0100, HeliodoR wrote: > > No, they don't. There are rather a lot of important cmavo which are sumti. > > > > mi, do, ko'a, ko'i, ma, & da all come to mind immediately. > > Uhh... Yeah. But those are pro-sumti. So the moral is that EVERY > (sumti AND NOT pro-sumti) INVOLVE selbri. Okay now? No. pro-sumti are a subset of sumti. Not some unrelated set. Thus, not all sumti involve selbri. > > And 'ranjit' is a cmene, not a selbri. > > I'm not so sure: > http://ptolemy.tlg.uci.edu/~opoudjis/lojbanbrochure/lessons/less7acronym.html > "Simply put, if you see a Lojban letter being used as a sumti, you > take it as referring to the last sumti whose selbri starts with that > letter." And referring back to a person with the letter the name of > that person begins with is a frequently used trick. The categories of words are rather clearly dividied. cmene end in consonants. brivla end in vowels. Letterals end in y (or 'bu'). ranjit ends in a consonant, thus ranjit is a cmene. cmene aren't selbri. -- Jay Kominek