From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Dec 17 12:42:25 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:42:25 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.54) id 1Enisr-0007Hz-BK for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:42:25 -0800 Received: from dionysos.oderland.com ([213.115.211.26]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtps (TLS-1.0:DHE_RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:32) (Exim 4.54) id 1Eniso-0007Hs-9W for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 12:42:25 -0800 Received: from c-2396e255.1210-16-64736c14.cust.bredbandsbolaget.se ([85.226.150.35]) by dionysos.oderland.com with esmtpa (Exim 4.52) id 1Enisb-0000uN-Fz for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:42:10 +0100 Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: basic lojban From: Sunnan To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <20051217182136.GE19159@chain.digitalkingdom.org> References: <1134837781.5257.8.camel@localhost.localdomain> <20051217182136.GE19159@chain.digitalkingdom.org> Content-Type: text/plain Date: Sat, 17 Dec 2005 21:42:05 +0100 Message-Id: <1134852125.5257.11.camel@localhost.localdomain> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Antivirus-Scanner: Clean mail though you should still use an Antivirus X-AntiAbuse: This header was added to track abuse, please include it with any abuse report X-AntiAbuse: Primary Hostname - dionysos.oderland.com X-AntiAbuse: Original Domain - lojban.org X-AntiAbuse: Originator/Caller UID/GID - [0 0] / [47 12] X-AntiAbuse: Sender Address Domain - handgranat.org X-Source: X-Source-Args: X-Source-Dir: X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2808 X-Approved-By: sunnan@handgranat.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: sunnan@handgranat.org Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On Sat, 2005-12-17 at 10:21 -0800, Robin Lee Powell wrote: > > 2. Does plika'e take a cmene or does it have to me a fact or > > event? > > Word: {plika'e} > Type: lujvo > Gloss Word: {can use} > Definition: x1 is able to use x2 for purpose x3 under conditions x4 > > Which is poorly defined in that it doesn't mark which places came > from which gismu. In this case, though, it's pretty obvious that > the x2 comes from pilno2. > > So I don't see how the x2 could be a fact or an event. So it can be a bangu cmene? > ti poi prenu cu ka'e cusku lo sampu bau la .lojban. I like this version and I've changed to it. The page is at http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Template:User_jbo-1 if anyone wants to alter it further.