From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Dec 30 12:58:30 2005 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 30 Dec 2005 16:38:56 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EsRKY-0002uu-4K for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:58:30 -0800 Received: from rwcrmhc11.comcast.net ([216.148.227.151]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EsRKV-0002um-E3 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 12:58:29 -0800 Received: from bcpl.net (pcp0011734751pcs.owngsm01.md.comcast.net[69.251.2.78]) by comcast.net (rwcrmhc11) with SMTP id <2005123020582501300c9rpne>; Fri, 30 Dec 2005 20:58:26 +0000 Message-ID: <43B59F56.1030508@bcpl.net> Date: Fri, 30 Dec 2005 15:57:58 -0500 From: Michael Turniansky User-Agent: Mozilla/5.0 (Windows; U; Windows NT 5.0; en-US; rv:1.4) Gecko/20030624 Netscape/7.1 (ax) X-Accept-Language: en-us, en MIME-Version: 1.0 To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] "la" questions Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1; format=flowed Content-Transfer-Encoding: 7bit X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 2854 X-Approved-By: rlpowell@digitalkingdom.org X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: turnip@bcpl.net Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Thanks for your help so far. A couple of questions about the desriptor "la": First, is it okay to use a cmene as part of a tanru, for example: lo la byc. sarji ("a Bush supporter")? Second, since it's possible for a name to be more than one word as shown in the refereence grammar (like "la preston. prins.") and it's also possible for a name to be a regular brivla preceeded by la (e.g. "la cribe"="Bear" like my dog) what is the scope of the la? Can you say something like "la bakstr. cribe ku"? The grammar notes that the elidable ku can close the la, but without it, what is the assumption of the scope of the la? It can't be jsut one word, as the first example cited above shows.... Well, off for the Sabbath, so: ko zanfri la xebycesygautersla --la gejyspa