From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Fri Jan 06 08:56:06 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:56:06 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Euuso-0002Xi-1v for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:56:06 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.201]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1Euusl-0002Xa-IT for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:56:05 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so2740855wri for ; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:56:02 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=TtoD+eKFAsBKq5t5hzA+Wu7cuQm1bhtVD5ALjsk8RtV7ymizizaZWmXhth2qrctZ+H23ZMKqPUX7vXAviaQZqwHklPe2dNFWp2zdaTMf7oR3KCMvTtkm9YHphG64k0OD/oT4XJ4F4OyFzDqscE8dJRe3JwizJE1PIMB5FY42V6w= Received: by 10.54.115.14 with SMTP id n14mr2133041wrc; Fri, 06 Jan 2006 08:56:01 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.68.7 with HTTP; Fri, 6 Jan 2006 08:56:01 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560601060856v1622b2f4p9d685dd29eb331c6@mail.gmail.com> Date: Fri, 6 Jan 2006 13:56:01 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: All animals are equal... In-Reply-To: <2d3df92a0601060538q15af4a7fu78c464eb4b65d474@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <2d3df92a0601060538q15af4a7fu78c464eb4b65d474@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2900 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 1/6/06, HeliodoR wrote: > All animals are equal, but some animals are more equal than others. > ro danlu cu dunli .i ku'i lo danlu cu dunzma lo daldrata > > Is that all right? I think we discussed this very sentence sometime in the past, but I don't remember when or where exactly. I'd translate the first part as {lo ro danlu cu dunsi'u}, i.e. "all animals are equal among themselves". {ro danlu cu dunli} seems too vague to me, I want to ask {dunli ma}, equal to what? Perhaps each is equal to its parent, for example? The second part perhaps {i ku'i su'o danlu cu zmadu su'o drata lo ka dunzma}. {su'o} seems necessary there. Of course this second part is a bit nonsensical, but that's in keeping with the original. mu'o mi'e xorxes