From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Jan 07 07:31:00 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 07 Jan 2006 07:31:00 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EvG20-0005Ue-9n for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 07:31:00 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.198]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EvG1y-0005UV-Gy for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 07:31:00 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i30so1292030wra for ; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 07:30:57 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=NSiHis48Ja2S3OamWp/b5pJfT6G27AozITeUwW/tv8452ktdM/Qsz1Pcz+Q+e99Zxh3aZy80Ai2bxYXtnVxZsRYqLoEyRzktDaARppAJcipgltq3wHJXk5RP2DtHKQJh7LcLOEtKb3LefqWOHg/7jMWrMUPAZ0dxInPv97qWyR8= Received: by 10.54.73.19 with SMTP id v19mr6397104wra; Sat, 07 Jan 2006 07:30:57 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.68.7 with HTTP; Sat, 7 Jan 2006 07:30:57 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560601070730t12981be5r6658e4a17f136fcb@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 7 Jan 2006 12:30:57 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: Heath is the Man!. In-Reply-To: <20060107051210.GA3820@tulip> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <20060106233231.GA9015@manticore.csupomona.edu> <20060107051210.GA3820@tulip> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 2915 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 1/7/06, Heath N. Caldwell wrote: > It is not sufficient to just describe Heath as being an exemplar of a > group. The purpose is to say that there is one and only one "The man", > and that Heath is he. Notice that you want {du} here, not mintu. The x1 and x2 of mintu are two identical (by some standard) but separate things. For example {la xit mintu la djan lo ka makau jvinu ce'u}, "Heath is identical to John in how they look". Heath and John are identical in how they look, but Heath is not John. If you want to relate two sumti with the same referent, then you have to use {du}: {la xit du le pa nanmu} "Heath is the one man (i.e. the one man I have in mind)". mu'o mi'e xorxes