From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jan 09 06:42:08 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:42:09 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EvyDo-0008Si-7m for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:42:08 -0800 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.197]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EvyDk-0008Sa-9P for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:42:07 -0800 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id s1so3542461nze for ; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:42:02 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=tBj1w/RjcGXmjsHtEW5eZqLN4TBo9mznNgZkjvwKfhLUpDNkvbZB43RcIGkKK/OLfBL92xnF+3tzBev4l6k+vfDOfbYz0EDFiyDOyk7sbWmeQrzohksoSfou2X5VZU0UtUnAa9VmwgKqFOVAgwB7lxjXfnE3bRIRrHMr77Ro1DA= Received: by 10.65.119.13 with SMTP id w13mr2548211qbm; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 06:42:02 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.110.14 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 06:42:02 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 09:42:02 -0500 From: Matt Arnold To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: "Windows Metafile Vulnerability" In-Reply-To: <20060108085516.GE2134@localhost> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <46269339.20060107133749@mail.ru> <925d17560601070811h51a8af86k7c2b2e204d3f9eac@mail.gmail.com> <20060108085516.GE2134@localhost> X-Spam-Score: -2.5 (--) X-archive-position: 2920 X-Approved-By: matt.mattarn@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: matt.mattarn@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners Considering how much discussion in the forums of any artificial language is _about_ the language rather than _in_ the language (and therefore meta), and considering how many words in the Lojban flashcards are defined as "metalinguistic not," "metalinguistic yes," and so forth, I am extremely surprised that a best practice for expressing the concept of "meta" was not worked out decades ago. Here is a delicious opportunity. Perhaps some combination of {srana traji bartu ciste manri} would help us here. -epkat On 1/8/06, Tasci wrote: > * Jorge Llamb?as (jjllambias@gmail.com) wrote: > > > A "metafile", if I understand the definitions I found, is > > not a file but a specific graphics file format. > I may not know lojban yet, but I can step forward for this. > > A metafile, in the Windows sense, is a file that can represent a > different file, whether a graphics file format, or a binary executable > virus. That's why people are so up in arms about WMF format, and also > why it's so easy to write viruses for it. Purported as an image format, > it's really more like one of those self extracting zip archives. > > I might also add meta was originally Greek for "after, while, or > beyond." People since attributed it to also mean "self-referencing" as > in "metafile" is a file of files, or "an abstraction on top of" as in > "metaphysics" is the physics of physics itself. Does that help figure > out what metafile is in lojban at all? > -- > Pandora "Starling/Tasci/Antinomy/Figment/???" synx > pgp key at http://synx.dyndns.org/starling.asc > > > >