From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jan 09 07:48:47 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 09 Jan 2006 07:48:47 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EvzGI-0000qG-83 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 07:48:46 -0800 Received: from zproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.162.195]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1EvzGF-0000q7-2j for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 07:48:45 -0800 Received: by zproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id m7so5469486nzf for ; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 07:48:40 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=fxvXi91oLayPHt+diL2cBLo0Y6A2BNpS6ZuXnLTy2z1lJ/mbn3S308Y0jwc4NyTE+2BlXxrV+MFW4O91kgFcU+4ne/x6Q2hrt0XV4ht8CpnZFaeTxNBMBwuGj46fivsBHELjlBrzg50wuWAbIMDiK+Uqe901X/uNUXZ0boH4H6c= Received: by 10.65.61.19 with SMTP id o19mr2443539qbk; Mon, 09 Jan 2006 07:48:40 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.65.214.1 with HTTP; Mon, 9 Jan 2006 07:48:40 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <2d3df92a0601090748y5f46739chedfdbe5e49afdb9d@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 9 Jan 2006 16:48:40 +0100 From: HeliodoR To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: All animals are equal... In-Reply-To: <925d17560601060856v1622b2f4p9d685dd29eb331c6@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_35379_27812344.1136821720318" References: <2d3df92a0601060538q15af4a7fu78c464eb4b65d474@mail.gmail.com> <925d17560601060856v1622b2f4p9d685dd29eb331c6@mail.gmail.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.2 (--) X-archive-position: 2922 X-Approved-By: exitconsole@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: exitconsole@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_35379_27812344.1136821720318 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline > > I'd translate the first part as {lo ro danlu cu dunsi'u}, i.e. > "all animals are equal among themselves". {ro danlu cu dunli} > seems too vague to me, I want to ask {dunli ma}, equal to > what? That's for preventing the two jufra from logically contradicting each other, and for covering what the pigs mean by this: "all animals are equal, yes, right, but that doesn't mean anything in practice: *some* animals are *more equal* than others!..." The second part perhaps {i ku'i su'o danlu cu zmadu > su'o drata lo ka dunzma}. {su'o} seems necessary there. I don't see why. Doesn't {lo} guarantee the existence of at least one superior animal? > Oh, old good days... I have asked this question back in 1995. ;-) > http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9508/msg00038.html i ki'e mi'e darves. ------=_Part_35379_27812344.1136821720318 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline
I'd translate the first part as = {lo ro danlu cu dunsi'u}, i.e.
"all animals are equal among themsel= ves". {ro danlu cu dunli}
seems too vague to me, I want to ask {dunli ma}, equal to
what?
 
That's for preventing the two jufra from logically contradicting
each other, and for covering what the pigs mean by this:
"all animals are equal, yes, right, but that doesn't mean anythin= g
in practice: some animals are more equal than others!..."

The second part perhaps {i ku'i = su'o danlu cu zmadu
su'o drata lo ka dunzma}.  {su'o} seems ne= cessary there.
 
I don't see why. Doesn't {lo} guarantee the existence of at least
one superior animal?
 
> Oh, old good days... I have asked this question back = in 1995. ;-)

> http://wiw.org/~jkominek/lojban/9508/msg00038.html

i ki'e
 
mi'e darves.
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