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On 1/12/06, Matt Arnold <matt.mattarn@gmail.com> wrote:

> Unfortunately both of the selbri which I have proposed are modified
> with {se}, and that confounds my puny lujvo-skills. I know that the
> rafsi for {se} is {sel}, but can it be used twice in the same lujvo?

Yes, as many times as you need it.

> As a result, the following nonce lujvo for "stop-gap" seems like a
> bizarre high-powered mutant never intended for mass production-- too
> strange to live, too rare to die. But I am presenting it as practice
> with a request for educational comments.
>
> {selcauseltis} x1=y1 is that which fills deficiency y2 in object x2

That is of course a cmevla, not a lujvo :) but {selcauseltisna} would
do it.

{zaska'i} "temporary-replacement" could also work for some
senses of "stop-gap".

For "stub", how about {ma'ufli}: x1 is a stub/failed to mature/
of arrested development in propety/aspect x2"

mu'o mi'e xorxes