From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Sat Jan 21 06:29:40 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Sat, 21 Jan 2006 06:29:41 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F0JkK-0007Q4-77 for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 06:29:40 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.195]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F0JkI-0007Px-3U for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 06:29:39 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i12so625724wra for ; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 06:29:35 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=GOjtcj496EzIuazv5q7RCauO6nwZg3ost6EKZOPPCh1OboJng6XJrfq6Zkgp9IX+gXzV2d35k6R8bcbSVfaGiWVRzKGbrGYGDEwsubtDdDG/4wLStF+8nvv9IY417HHt4NgQoL42nyJFWooLNukD6xfw1XSIoS1XIQcSHG50WaA= Received: by 10.54.65.5 with SMTP id n5mr5373823wra; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 06:29:35 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.125.17 with HTTP; Sat, 21 Jan 2006 06:29:35 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c4e58c10601210629l21988e7cka8d15320681775b@mail.gmail.com> Date: Sat, 21 Jan 2006 14:29:35 +0000 From: Evgeny Sklyanin To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: This question is definitely a beginner's one In-Reply-To: <337866820.20060121200319@mail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_5219_2569495.1137853775370" References: <337866820.20060121200319@mail.ru> X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 2977 X-Approved-By: eks2005@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eks2005@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_5219_2569495.1137853775370 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline coi .ianis. .i do cusku di'e On 1/21/06, Yanis Batura wrote: > > [1] "You are a German person." > {do dotco prenu} > > [2] "You are the first German person I ever met." > {do dotco prenu [???]} > > {poi} cannot be used here, because {dotco prenu} isn't a sumti. > > {du} seems a bit over-mathematical, and has an ill fame as malglico. > > What is the most elegant way to translate [2] to Lojban, then? Or > there isn't? How about do pamoi le'i dotco prenu poi mi penmi "You are the first from the set of german persons which I met" The point is that {moi} creates a new selbri with the place structure x1 pamoi x2 x3 =3D x1 is the first member of the set x2 ordered by the rule= x3 mi'e .evgenis. ------=_Part_5219_2569495.1137853775370 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline coi .ianis. .i do cusku di'e

On 1/2= 1/06, Yanis Batura <ybatura@mail.ru> wrote:
[1] "You are a German person."
    {do dot= co prenu}

[2] "You are the first German person I ever met."= ;
    {do dotco prenu [???]}

{poi} cannot be = used here, because {dotco prenu} isn't a sumti.

{du} seems a bit over-mathematical, and has an ill fame as malglico= .

What is the most elegant way to translate [2] to Lojban, then? Or<= br>there isn't?

How about

do pamoi le'i dotco prenu poi mi penmi

"You are the first from the set of german persons which I met"
The point is that {moi} creates a new selbri with the place structure
x1 pamoi x2 x3 =3D x1 is the first member of the set x2 ordered by the rule= x3

mi'e .evgenis.



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