From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jan 23 01:23:14 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:23:14 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F0xur-0005Kx-PJ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:23:13 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.205]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F0xup-0005Kq-J8 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:23:13 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id i12so761761wra for ; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:23:10 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:references; b=K0AN/tGpwEUYR4yC3Om2Lb+zxF+1qDjActlpqQdWNyATINWA/foMVq5nsp3SdAzL7PgtF4pEla+wwaLvPkyXKGKyeZeFIufhADcA86uY/4lTeWU4cIL5wcelUu3AyMiPjQOjRDh1xABvIqNE6DKzMSjpXB+cJTwMahz7+ITJNzQ= Received: by 10.54.156.20 with SMTP id d20mr4524733wre; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:23:10 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.124.13 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 01:23:10 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <4c4e58c10601230123m1b6da8f7p2822081ddc834cce@mail.gmail.com> Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 09:23:10 +0000 From: Evgeny Sklyanin To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: This question is definitely a beginner's one In-Reply-To: <20060123082902.58793.qmail@web51505.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="----=_Part_1005_5257098.1138008190266" References: <4c4e58c10601210629l21988e7cka8d15320681775b@mail.gmail.com> <20060123082902.58793.qmail@web51505.mail.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.3 (--) X-archive-position: 2984 X-Approved-By: eks2005@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: eks2005@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners ------=_Part_1005_5257098.1138008190266 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline On 1/23/06, Opi Lauma wrote: > > How about > > > > do pamoi le'i dotco prenu poi mi penmi > > > > "You are the first from the set of german persons > > which I met" > > I think it has meaning which differs from the wished > one (but I am not sure). Your sentence probably means > than among germans you are the first one (by some > unspecified quantity) and I met you. > > Moreover, {poi} probably should select form the set > coming before {poi} subset which has property > mentioned after {poi}. And in the given sentence set > coming before {poi} has already only one element. The jbofi'e parsing (0[do CU { <(1le'i [{dotco prenu} {poi KU'O}] KU)1 VAU>}])0 seems to support my variant: the descriptor {le'i} extends to the whole tai= l of the sentence, including the {poi} clause. The argument x2 of {pamoi} is thus "the set of those germans, who I met", not just the set of some germans, if I read it correctly. mi'e .evgenis. ------=_Part_1005_5257098.1138008190266 Content-Type: text/html; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Content-Disposition: inline

On 1/23/06, = Opi Lauma <opi_lauma@yahoo.co= m > wrote:
> How about
&g= t;
> do pamoi le'i dotco prenu poi mi penmi
>
> "You= are the first from the set of german persons
> which I met"

I think it has meaning which differs from= the wished
one (but I am not sure). Your sentence probably means
th= an among germans you are the first one (by some
unspecified quantity) an= d I met you.

Moreover, {poi} probably should select form the set
coming befor= e {poi} subset which has property
mentioned after {poi}. And in the giv= en sentence set
coming before {poi} has already only one element.

The jbofi'e parsing 
 
 
   (0[do CU {<pa moi> <(1le'i [{dotco prenu} {poi <mi CU (2penmi VAU)2>= KU'O}] KU)1 VAU>}])0 
 
seems to support my variant: the descriptor {le'i} extends to the= whole tail of the sentence, including the {poi} clause. The argument&= nbsp;x2 of {pamoi} is thus "the set of those germans, who I met&q= uot;, not just the set of some germans, if I read it correctly.
 
mi'e .evgenis.

 

 
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