From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Mon Jan 23 02:06:14 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Mon, 23 Jan 2006 02:06:15 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F0yaR-000631-NQ for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 02:06:12 -0800 Received: from mx6.mail.ru ([194.67.23.26]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F0yaF-00062o-Hz for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 02:06:09 -0800 Received: from [194.126.169.55] (port=51203 helo=1C-YANIS) by mx6.mail.ru with esmtp id 1F0yaB-0003IW-00 for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Mon, 23 Jan 2006 13:05:56 +0300 Date: Mon, 23 Jan 2006 16:05:43 +0600 From: Yanis Batura X-Priority: 3 (Normal) Message-ID: <263467137.20060123160543@mail.ru> To: Evgeny Sklyanin Subject: [lojban-beginners] pamoi le'i dotco prenu poi ... In-Reply-To: <4c4e58c10601230123m1b6da8f7p2822081ddc834cce@mail.gmail.com> References: <4c4e58c10601210629l21988e7cka8d15320681775b@mail.gmail.com> <20060123082902.58793.qmail@web51505.mail.yahoo.com> <4c4e58c10601230123m1b6da8f7p2822081ddc834cce@mail.gmail.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 2987 X-Approved-By: ybatura@mail.ru X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: ybatura@mail.ru Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners 23.01.2006, 15:23 Evgeny Sklyanin wrote: > On 1/23/06, Opi Lauma wrote: >> How about >> >> do pamoi le'i dotco prenu poi mi penmi >> >> "You are the first from the set of german persons >> which I met" > I think it has meaning which differs from the wished > one (but I am not sure). Your sentence probably means > than among germans you are the first one (by some > unspecified quantity) and I met you. > Moreover, {poi} probably should select form the set > coming before {poi} subset which has property > mentioned after {poi}. And in the given sentence set > coming before {poi} has already only one element. > The jbofi'e parsing  >   >   >    (0[do CU { <(1le'i [{dotco prenu} {poi KU'O}] KU)1 VAU>}])0  >   > seems to support my variant: the descriptor {le'i} extends to > the whole tail of the sentence, including the {poi} clause. The > argument x2 of {pamoi} is thus "the set of those germans, who I > met", not just the set of some germans, if I read it correctly. >   > mi'e .evgenis. But we know that jbofi'e isn't *official* in the sense of final verdict. Perhaps it'd be better to consult the CLL? mi'e .ianis.