From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jan 24 03:44:50 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 03:44:50 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F1MbR-000187-6z for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 03:44:49 -0800 Received: from web51509.mail.yahoo.com ([206.190.38.201]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with smtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F1MbJ-000180-TV for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 03:44:46 -0800 Received: (qmail 84799 invoked by uid 60001); 24 Jan 2006 11:44:35 -0000 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=s1024; d=yahoo.com; h=Message-ID:Received:Date:From:Subject:To:In-Reply-To:MIME-Version:Content-Type:Content-Transfer-Encoding; b=SOwkPYvl+sIrElC8W95U0AVZSWko0IcDpCjNN48MYWOyvWJyUajfvw2vVQiMm3wQ9aqF2cFIXwIe+EukwukSyGAt9Ox8isYte2jZc75kh9b5ClXyxUkmAD1W8l56r7aqDNQLaWNHAex8ZIvPQj7d30Dfs12xT+oJnS1joFMWJDw= ; Message-ID: <20060124114435.84797.qmail@web51509.mail.yahoo.com> Received: from [141.2.216.130] by web51509.mail.yahoo.com via HTTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 03:44:35 PST Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 03:44:35 -0800 (PST) From: Opi Lauma Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: pamoi le'i dotco prenu poi ... To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org In-Reply-To: <1283088462.20060124161953@mail.ru> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=iso-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-Spam-Score: -2.4 (--) X-archive-position: 3007 X-Approved-By: opi_lauma@yahoo.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: opi_lauma@yahoo.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners --- Yanis Batura wrote: > doi .aleks. di'e bau la gliban. > > > {do pa moi lo dotco prenu lo ka mi penmi ce'u ca ma > kau} > > Explanation. The x2 of {pa moi} is the ordering > rule. > xorxes suggests to order the set of German people by > the date "when I > met them". Ordering rule here must be a ka > (quality), > so the quality is {ka mi penmi ce'u ca ma kau > [kei]}. > or, literally, "the quality of my meeting them > [=ce'u], at what time"? > {ma kau} stands here, because "when" is an indirect > question. > > mi'e .ianis. You and xorxes have mentioned “rule of ordering”. But with the construction like {lo ka mi penmi ce'u ca ma kau} you construct time of event (parameter which is used for ordering). So may be it is better to speak not about rule but about parameter which is used for ordering? If it is the case, I do not understand why I cannot use {lo tcika be lo nu mi penmi ra} as the ordering parameter. mi'e .opilaumas __________________________________________________ Do You Yahoo!? Tired of spam? Yahoo! Mail has the best spam protection around http://mail.yahoo.com