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24.01.2006, 17:44 Opi Lauma wrote:

> You and xorxes have mentioned “rule of ordering”. But
> with the construction like {lo ka mi penmi ce'u ca ma
> kau} you construct time of event (parameter which is
> used for ordering). So may be it is better to speak
> not about rule but about parameter which is used for
> ordering? If it is the case, I do not understand why I
> cannot use {lo tcika be lo nu mi penmi ra} as the
> ordering parameter. 

> mi'e .opilaumas

This talk has gone far beyond the scope of the Beginners Mailing
List. :(

However,

Taking into account that the CLL defines {moi} (Chapter 18, section 11)
without giving any examples of x3 (ordering rule), I agree that
interpreting a sumti, which represents a parameter, as an ordering
rule, is plausible.

What can be regarded as an ordering rule for a set?
An utterance like "An element X of the set is bigger than an element Y
of the set if (...)". It is introducing a partial order in the set and
to determine, whether it is also a full order, is a task of the listener.

So, parameter Z (like "the time when I meet him") can be most
plausibly transformed into the rule "An element X of the set is bigger than an element Y
of the set if (Z of X is less than Z of Y)".

Shorter version:
.i doi .opilaumas. mi tugni do

mi'e .ianis.