From nobody@digitalkingdom.org Tue Jan 24 06:00:07 2006 Received: with ECARTIS (v1.0.0; list lojban-beginners); Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:00:10 -0800 (PST) Received: from nobody by chain.digitalkingdom.org with local (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F1OiM-0004TS-Vu for lojban-beginners-real@lojban.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:00:07 -0800 Received: from wproxy.gmail.com ([64.233.184.197]) by chain.digitalkingdom.org with esmtp (Exim 4.60) (envelope-from ) id 1F1OiI-0004T1-GV for lojban-beginners@lojban.org; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:00:05 -0800 Received: by wproxy.gmail.com with SMTP id 68so1011528wri for ; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:00:01 -0800 (PST) DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; q=dns; c=nofws; s=beta; d=gmail.com; h=received:message-id:date:from:to:subject:in-reply-to:mime-version:content-type:content-transfer-encoding:content-disposition:references; b=fkmx1QgHiLZvne9rF76dujrETspWvLtvTeCZhTI68NOu/P/DASTNrs0ijMi95nYBtWpFOx0pskPtqtEq5eqRIdABhfYE8cjL6ejs0NoVt1fWxUeTdXihuRnMBSOi/7mnwZcDkCHa8r8Dk0+VJw9o7x9hR/E1RpEkNqdVUeq2sYU= Received: by 10.54.115.13 with SMTP id n13mr54539wrc; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 06:00:00 -0800 (PST) Received: by 10.54.126.19 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Jan 2006 05:59:59 -0800 (PST) Message-ID: <925d17560601240559i60c3e4f0m6807002d6728db72@mail.gmail.com> Date: Tue, 24 Jan 2006 10:59:59 -0300 From: =?ISO-8859-1?Q?Jorge_Llamb=EDas?= To: lojban-beginners@lojban.org Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: pamoi le'i dotco prenu poi ... In-Reply-To: <20060124114435.84797.qmail@web51509.mail.yahoo.com> MIME-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 Content-Transfer-Encoding: 8bit X-MIME-Autoconverted: from quoted-printable to 8bit by Ecartis Content-Disposition: inline References: <1283088462.20060124161953@mail.ru> <20060124114435.84797.qmail@web51509.mail.yahoo.com> X-Spam-Score: -2.6 (--) X-archive-position: 3009 X-Approved-By: jjllambias@gmail.com X-ecartis-version: Ecartis v1.0.0 Sender: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org Errors-to: lojban-beginners-bounce@lojban.org X-original-sender: jjllambias@gmail.com Precedence: bulk Reply-to: lojban-beginners@lojban.org X-list: lojban-beginners On 1/24/06, Opi Lauma wrote: > You and xorxes have mentioned "rule of ordering". But > with the construction like {lo ka mi penmi ce'u ca ma > kau} you construct time of event (parameter which is > used for ordering). So may be it is better to speak > not about rule but about parameter which is used for > ordering? If it is the case, I do not understand why I > cannot use {lo tcika be lo nu mi penmi ra} as the > ordering parameter. I wouldn't go as far as to say you cannot use it. All I say is that {lo tcika be lo nu mi penmi ra} refers to a time, and {lo ka mi penmi ce'u ca ma kau} refers to a mapping from people to the time they are met by me. I don't know how much is worth bothering making this distinction. mu'o mi'e xorxes