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From: Opi Lauma <opi_lauma@yahoo.com>
Subject: [lojban-beginners] Re: pamoi le'i dotco prenu poi ...
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--- Betsemes <betsemes@gmail.com> wrote:

> > > You and xorxes have mentioned "rule of
> ordering". But
> > > with the construction like {lo ka mi penmi ce'u
> ca ma
> > > kau} you construct time of event (parameter
> which is
> > > used for ordering). So may be it is better to
> speak
> > > not about rule but about parameter which is used
> for
> > > ordering? If it is the case, I do not understand
> why I
> > > cannot use {lo tcika be lo nu mi penmi ra} as
> the
> > > ordering parameter.
> >
> > I wouldn't go as far as to say you cannot use it.
> All I say
> > is that {lo tcika be lo nu mi penmi ra} refers to
> a time, and
> > {lo ka mi penmi ce'u ca ma kau} refers to a
> mapping
> > from people to the time they are met by me. I
> don't know
> > how much is worth bothering making this
> distinction.
> 
> I don't know you, but me, if I see a clock time in
> the place of an ordering
> rule, then I would think of the clock time as *the
> ordering rule*.

Another problem here is that a smaller clock time does
not necessarily means “earlier”.
According to the definition

{tcika} = “time of day x1 [hours, {minutes},
{seconds}] is the time/hour of state/event x2 on day
x3 at location x4”

Therefore, clock time contains only hours minutes and
seconds (but not month, year and so on ).
 
So that 16:58:23 can be earlier than 12:32:22 if the
first clock time was obtained on Monday and the second
one on Tuesday.

Now it seems to me that clock time is a bad ordering parameter.

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